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I'm disgusted with myself (gambling)

Discussion in 'Coming Out Advice' started by Glunn11, Aug 25, 2010.

  1. Glunn11

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    I managed to get to $1k again on an Internet casino, and, once again, blew it all.

    I need help.

    I'm sick of being me right now. I don't want to see anyone's face because I hate myself for what I've become, and I don't feel like I deserve any sort of sympathy or compassion from the people who know me. They don't know me. They don't know this dark side of me that tries to find a purpose and always fails.

    I feel weak and powerless. I don't want to be like this. I don't want to be one of those senseless gambling addicts who has to mortgage the house when they make their next trip to the casino. IT'S NOT FAIR. Here I am with all this knowledge about smart gambling, probability, and the works, and can i put any of it to sensible use? No. And the cherry on top is that I am so damn unnaturally lucky, and it's never good enough for me. Never.

    I apologize for my hostile tone, and thank you for reading my problem. I think I'm going to tell my mom tomorrow, but I don't know. I just want someone to hold me and tell me it's all right, but of course I do this when everyone's in bed.
     
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    OK, where is it that you're "managing to get" this money to gamble with? Because the easiest course of action would be to cut off the supply. If you got no money to gamble with, you can't gamble. But if you truly are addicted, you may need to get some help for that addiction...

    Lex
     
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    Try substituting your addiction with a job if you don't have one. Pick something that might be unappealing to your or grueling and stick it out for a little. Then, when you earn money, think about how you had to suffer to earn the money, and don't waste it on gambling. Try to remember how hard you worked to earn the money you made, so that you spend it on things worthwhile instead of gambling.

    Or, you can always get help from a clinic; I'm sure they have help for gambling addictions.

    This was just something I thought of but maybe it's worth a shot?
     
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    First of all, one bit of your post that I have a lot of trouble with:

    Gambling is something that has attracted the attention of the world's smartest minds. People who knew statistics and probability inside and out, and in recent years, people who had supercomputers working on finding fail-safe gambling schemes.

    Where are they now? I don't know, but I know that they're not retiring in Malibu with the money they got by breaking the bank. Because all casino games are inexorably stacked to make profit for the house, and leech money out of the customer's pockets. and the longer you gamble, the more money you progressively lose, even if you occasionally win a bit in the meantime.

    Internet casinos are probably even worse. I've heard rumours that some actually let you win at first (like, say, 1000$), to reel you in and make you feel lucky, because they know most people then end up losing more than they gain afterwards.


    Now, with that out of the way, I think you already took a good first step in admitting you have a problem. The means that if you deal with it and talk to the right people, things will be OK!

    I think telling your mom might be a good first step. She might not be too happy about it, but having someone know already arms you agains continuing to gamble in isolation.
    The next step would be telling someone who has experience in dealing with addictions.
    Is there any councilor at school/college you could talk to? he might be able to help or show you the way to people to talk to.

    And, like Lex said, lock off your money supply. Give any credit cards to someone else while you're dealing with this. That way, even if the urge strikes, you're less likely to even be able to gamble.
     
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    >>>Where are they now? I don't know, but I know that they're not retiring in Malibu with the money they got by breaking the bank.

    Actually, some of them are. However, they did so less by perfectly working out the odds, and more by finding mistakes in the manner that casinos conducted their games. There were kids from MIT who exploited the fact that many casinos conducted blackjack using only one or two decks of cards at a time, and by counting the cards, and sending more people in to bet high when the "count" was high, they made a rather impressive profit. Now, of course, every casino plays blackjack with several decks at once, and replenishes the deck before it's even half-empty. And counting is especially useless online, where the "deck" is a virtual one, and you're basically working with a new deck every time.

    The funny thing for me is - I actually hold a degree in probability and statistics. And I NEVER gamble. Because when I see gambling places (real and online), I simply see varying amounts of money losers. I know that I'll lose slightly less on Game X on average than Game Y, but I know in the long run, I'll lose money at both. And I simply don't believe in people being "lucky". If I flip a coin and it comes up heads ten times in a row, or twenty times in a row, I still believe I have an exactly 50/50 chance to see heads the next time. The "heads gods" haven't alighted on me or the coin.

    My partner likes to go to Vegas, and he likes to gamble. And he actually does quite well - he's paid for the trip at the craps table a few times. But sometimes he loses. And he has a good attitude towards it. He likes winning - no question. But he considers gambling a form of entertainment. So he budgets a set amount for the trip. $100, $250, whatever it is. And once he loses that, that's the end of the gambling for the trip. Once he hit that our first day there. And it meant he didn't gamble the rest of the time. He was a bit peeved by that, but he stuck with it.

    He always thought it weird that a math geek like me wouldn't gamble. My job is mainly to stand behind him at the craps table and hold his winnings (so he doesn't gamble it away). He finally convinced me to try it. He fronted me $75 in chips as the dice were passed my way. I anted $25 (the minimum bet at the table), and rolled three times.

    And crapped out (double 1s, double 6s, double 1s) all three times.

    He doesn't ask why I don't gamble anymore.

    Lex
     
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    Thank you guys for your replies, and I apologize for not getting back to you sooner. I'm just kind of sensitive about this topic, I guess, and hesitant to bring it to the forefront of my mind again.

    In a nutshell, I'm working on establishing myself as an online freelance writer. I serendipitously discovered the residual earnings potential that revenue sharing (Google AdSense and whatnot) can provide, and I consider writing one of my better talents. To make upfront bucks, I write on a place called Textbroker for businesses that want web content.

    The interesting thing is that I don't have a problem at land-based casinos, and can behave much like Lex's partner can. My first time gambling, I entered with $20, and left with $35, INCREDIBLY happy at what I considered a "massive" win. I won the $35 on my last $1, and was perfectly content with losing it all. I had a jolly old time. It was what gambling SHOULD be. A fun, entertaining experience, in which I anticipated to lose all of my money and simply have a good time with the friends I went with. I ended up being the only person to make a profit, but I had a great time.

    Online gambling doesn't feel real. You don't get to hear the machine obnoxiously blare a victory, and you don't feel the voucher or the dollar bills being sucked in by the machines. It feels like cyber-bucks, really. Thankfully, the only online casinos I gamble at (a whopping two) have self-exclusion programs that I will be taking advantage of promptly.

    I'm now simply trying to muster up the courage to get to therapy, something that I've never really been good at.

    I neglected to mention that my mom is, indirectly, the reason I lost. I had $500 in a pending withdrawal when she gave me $50 because I was "lucky" to gamble for her. I turned that $50 into (get this) $990 (sickening amount of luck), and wanted to get her to the $1,000 threshold to make her happy in the morning. My logical brain had died and failed to realize that $100 was enough to make her happy. I lost in a mega losing streak, got pissed, canceled my withdrawal, and lost my money, as well.

    I know gambler's fallacy (that a "win" is due after consecutive losses) is false, but logic simply doesn't exist in my gambling addict personality.

    Anyway, I'm feeling better tonight. Thank you, guys!
     
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    Promptly meaning: I'll get off EC now and do it immediately, I hope. because "when I get around to it" is just an invitation to try one more, and one more after that, etc...

    I do think that online gambling is more dangerous. Like you say, it doesn't feel real, and above all, you don't have other people standing in the vicinity while you gamble. It's much easier letting yourself go if even that tenuous bit of social control is absent.

    I'm going to be a bit mean here, and say that I don't buy the excuse about your mother being the reason for this latest streak. You can make excuses why you kept gambling (one more game, need to get to the magic 1000, have to make mother happy), but at the core, you just were really enjoying it and allowing yourself to get hooked.

    Positive thing here is that your mom knows you gamble. so that makes it less of a hurdle to mention to her that you fear that you're developing a real problem here. At the least that will make her think twice before slipping you 50 $ again.

    Good luck on finding more help!