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I will give you nickel if you can figure out my situation...

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  1. Speaker

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    Firstly, allow me to point out that I am well aware only I can truly determine my situation. It all started about 4 months ago. I had considered myself straight up until this point. I could look at males and totally reject any type of sexual involvement. I was very attracted to girls. Then in one second these gay feelings suddenly surfaced. It was so strange, in literally one second I suddenly acquired these feeling. Now, I realize these are feelings which have likely been repressed and substituted with "culturally normal" feelings. When these first happened I found myself attracted to the same sex and totally repulsed by the opposite.

    As time has gone on these feelings have developed. My feelings for the opposite sex have actually increased, but not to previous levels. However when I imagine myself with either gender two different feelings are apparent. With males I can think about a life and be happy, with females I can think about a future and feel a ting of regret. However, these have gone back and forth. There are times when I feel I could not be a relationship with a man and vice versa. This has created a hell of an experience.

    In hopes of defining my orientation, which I now place at bi-sexual I have tried watching pornography. More often then not I am turned off by gay porn and constantly turned on by straight porn, even lesbian porn. After seeing gay porn I go through I period of about an hour in which I loose gay feelings and cannot see myself with a man. Then they always return. This is not the case with straight porn.

    I know this has been a confusing experience to follow, it is confusing for me to live. On top of this I have lost my faith in God which has caused me to loose direction. It has caused me to loose a feeling of purpose. All in all these past months have been a very hard time and I wish I could feel happy once more.

    I will keep it at that for now. Thoughts? There is $0.05 on the line.
     
  2. Witchcraft

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    It looks like you are very confused :/ btw how old are you(20s,30s If you don't mind me asking)
    how come when your with girls you feel regret but not when your with guys? hmm maybe you should date a guy just to see what it's like, I'm not saying you have to do anything with him but just to see if the feelings are actually true.
     
  3. Mirko

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    Hi there! Welcome to EC! :slight_smile:

    Your sexuality is fluid and things can still change. I think it is really good that you are exploring your sexual identity and from the looks if it, it seems that you are keeping an open mind about it. Don't be afraid to explore all of your feelings. Sometimes it is good to take a step back and try to understand what is happening within you. If you find that something feels right, explore that more. You already have a couple of clues, and as time passes and you explore these feelings and/or attractions, you will come to understand them better.

    Keep in mind that we can have different levels of physical and emotional attachments to different people and different genders. The kinds of attachments that we form towards others are often influenced by what that person is offering to us. Sometimes, we can form very strong emotional attachments to someone, without having a physical attachment.

    It is totally normal to go through periods of repression and 'hoping' that the feelings will go away again. The important thing here is not to fight against these thoughts or feelings. The more you fight against them, the stronger these thoughts will get.

    One thing you might want to give some thought to is perhaps trying to join a LGBT support group, either at your school or in the community. Talking to others, who have gone through similar experiences, and hearing yourself out loud talking about the different feelings that you are experiencing can really help in understanding things better. In exchanging your experiences with others, your might realize or learn a few things you haven't thought about yet, or aren't as aware of them yet. The more answers you find, the less confusing things will be.

    Give it some time, and things will become clearer. For time being though, maybe don't try to label yourself or try to place yourself in a 'camp' because that might just add additional pressures and perhaps even worries. For now, try to follow what feels right for you, without a label. (*hug*)
     
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    That nickel is safe. :slight_smile: Because I can foresee a few different scenarios, any of which might be the "correct one". You don't say how old you are, but I get a vague feeling you're beyond college age, past a time when one might assume one's sexuality would be "doped out". But as Mirk pointed out, it's not always that cut and dried.

    If I had to wager a nickel of my own - and this is a total guess - I'd suggest that maybe the "gay feelings" are what I consider "spice". Sometimes, especially when we're single and have to rely on our imaginations (and right hands) to fulfill some needs, we can get a bit bored with the same old fantasies. So we start spicing them up. The fantasy relationships can get more complex. The sex can get wilder, and the participants can get more "outside your type". You might start fantasizing about wilder girls, or two girls at once, or (yes) guys. Such things can help "spice" up a fantasy life that has gone somewhat stale.

    How strongly do I think this is actually the case? Not very. It's simply one possibility. But as you said in your original post, this is something only you can dope out for sure. And about the only thing that will help you decide what's really going on is time. It's not like if you think harder or more about it, it'll all be made clear. You'll just have to give it time. Ride it out. If you're lying in bed fantasizing about sexual things, and your mind turns to a woman, a man, a woman AND a man. an alien, a werewolf, a gargoyle, a robot - that's great. Let it. Run with it. Enjoy it. Don't try to "figure out what it means" - just run with it, and enjoy the fantasy.

    Lex
     
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    Watching porn is not the best way to determine your sexual orientation. It can work, but it isn't a given. Sex is, let's be honest, kinda gross. Especially when divorced from the context of a loving relationship. Personally, the part of porn that most turns me on is the kissing and cuddling bit (when included. I don't get off on porn without it at all). I started out just looking at photographs of guys kissing. I still don't enjoy anal scenes and would rather watch a passionate kiss than a blowjob.

    Your fantasies are a better clue as to your orientation, which to me indicate that you are probably bisexual in the unfortunate position of being more strongly into males than females emotionally, but more into females than males sexually.
     
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    Firstly allow me to say thank you. All of you are wonderful people! Let me clarify, I am a 17 year old Male. I always seem to throw people off from my actual age, not sure why. I am from the bible belt, unfortunately, and I am in my final year of High school in a long distance relationship with my girlfriend. This whole orientation thing is throwing a wrench into the relationship but she suspects nothing. My question is this, can I one day find someone who will cure me of my doubts or at least make them acceptable without being tempted by the opposing gender? Thanks again!
     
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    This isn't an affliction you can be "cured" of. Your orientation may firm up as you get older, or it may stay wibbly-wobbly(-timey-wimey*). There's nothing wrong with questioning your orientation, I think it's a natural part of the gay experience, especially if you're bi. If you're with a girl, fine. If you get naked with her and you find you can't go through with it, fine. And the same goes for being with a guy. Who knows? And it's all okay.

    *Points for anyone who gets the reference.
     
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    Hi there!

    First off, there will be one day where you will feel that you understand your feelings and are comfortable with them. The only person who can "cure [you] off [your] doubts or at least make them acceptable...." is you. No one else. Also, realize that there is nothing to be cured. It is really a matter of being able to accept your sexual identity at the end of this process that you are going through at the moment, no matter what it turns out to be. No matter to whom you feel attracted to.

    There are people/organizations who can help you in becoming comfortable with your sexuality and are able to provide you support, that will help you with self-acceptance and moving beyond having the doubts/thoughts you are having at the moment.

    There are support organizations even within the bible belt, and I would suggest to you that you seek them out and try to seek and gain as much support as you can from them.

    I think one further question you have to ask yourself is as to whether you want to be in a relationship (even if it is a long-distant relationship) at this point in time. Having a long distant relationship can be difficult at the best of times. Keeping things from your girlfriend and having to conceal what is going on within you, could make things a lot harder for you. I think it would be good if you give it some thought as to whether it might be a good idea for you to talk to your girlfriend. (*hug*)
     
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    I am sorry I did not mean "cured" I more meant, come to terms with, or live with.
     
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    The advice stays the same. :slight_smile: Coming to terms with your sexual identity is hard. But there are things, as mentioned above, you can do, to make it easier on you.

    Also, it might be worth trying to find and talk to a counselor either at school or in the community. One of the things that could really help you to come to terms with your feelings is talking about them out loud and listen to the words you use to describe yourself.
     
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    I appreciate that Mirko thank you. I have many people I can talk to about this. However, that is a stage I have not reached yet, but is soon. I have made huge progress in my acceptance, I have gone through all the stages of grief actually. I am nearing the end of this and the start of something new, but for now I have come to the same conclusion as you, time.
     
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    That's really good that you have made that much of a progress already and that you know that you have people to whom you can open up to. Yep, over time, you will be able to start opening up to people and talk with others about your experiences as well.

    Perhaps all you really need to do then is sit back and relax a bit for a while. You have already done lots of work to come this far. Sometimes, taking a breather is the best thing actually because when we relax and stop worrying about things, things start becoming clearer on their own. :slight_smile:

    If you need any help along the way, EC is here for you. (*hug*)
     
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    I'll try for that nicklel, lol. Reading your situation is very similar to mine, so I will explain what I was going through. Tell me if right. Or close, for that matter.

    For a long time, I was in complete denial about my feelings for the same sex. I always felt guilty and angry with myself for having those feelings. And when I started to finally actually acknowledge those feelings, that guilt never fully went away. I especially felt that guilt after "getting off" to gay porn. It felt like I was giving in to some sick addiction.

    It's from years of conditioning. Of being taught that having those type of feelings is wrong. I still go through it from time to time but not as bad.

    Anyway, you mentioned that you can picture yourself having a life and being happy with a guy; with a girl, you would feel some sense of regret. The easy way would be to narrow it down to two options:

    Option 1. You are gay, in denial, and just not fully able to come to terms with it yet.
    Option 2. You are bisexual in a sense. As in physically attracted to both sexes, but romantically, you want to be with the same sex.

    Fortunately, sexuality isn't that easy to label, and there's a lot of gray area there. So you have to kinda go with where your feelings take you at the moment. Honestly, I think your main issue is not being comfortable with how you're feeling.
     
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    To me it seems like you are on the start to accepting your sexuality and going through a denialish phase. I'm going to take a guess that the confusion you have is a good bit self induced, because everyone who is coming to terms with same sex attraction goes through the moments where you could be in an orgy with 10 men and thinking "i'm totally straight."

    I'm basing this on the fact that your in the bible belt partly so there is probably a large social stigma towards people with same sex attraction there. Stuff like that always makes second guessing a common occurrence. I know i would go through similar phases where i'd do stuff like watch gay porn then go "no your not gay you still like girls, if you don't shit is going to suck so you have to." In a sense the idea of sexually satisfying myself with gay things was turning me off because of all the other negative associations.

    also i found that i could get off to straight porn because i could focus on the guy xD If you are aroused by girl on girl or women in general then i'd put my money on bisexual. I wouldn't be to reliant on porn with deciding it though. For example when i think about it i do stuff like compare who do i like more hottest girl i can think of or hottest guy (always choose the guy in my case xD). Or i think of who i see myself being with in the future (also always a guy). So i consider myself queer or bisexual but in general just come out as gay because my interest in women just isn't enough to motivate me to want to be in a relationship with them.

    But also remember sexuality is relatively fluid so it could transition back and fourth. Also you may want to consider pansexuality if your completely or strongly dependent on emotional connection over your physical one regardless of the persons sex.
     
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    I have been doing some soul searching lately and I find my feelings really ring with the last two posters. My feelings are really fluid but I feel as if I still mantain that same sex attraction constantly. But I still face questions of denial and unhappiness towards the matter. Strangely, I actually fear college as I ponder the chances of a homophobic room mate and the adversity I face assuming I am out at that time. I wish not to live in fear, yet it does fill me. I just hope things get better, or even partially normal. I will keep updates! Thanks to all.
     
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    My last piece of advice to you... if you find the strength to come out at all, do it before you go to college. That will save you lots of stress, trust me. You don't want to make friends there and then have to go through the fear and stress of telling them as well. It's much easier just to have that out in the open when you meet them.

    Good luck to you. Like I said, I read your story and instantly thought of myself. It's all about being comfortable with who you are. Although I'm not fully out myself yet, I no longer question what I want.
     
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    college is the best environment to come out in :slight_smile: you can probably even look into LGBT friendly rooming options or something like that if you look into it. And while sexuality is fluid there is a level of consistency to it so you'll come to a conclusion eventually, it just takes getting past those fears and the the different levels of denial that come with that stage of coming out. It will clear up with time :slight_smile: