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  1. ijustdontknow90

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    I'm not sure if this was the right forum, but here it goes.

    Let me start out just by explaining a bit about myself. I’m a male, in my early 20s, and I’m about to finish up my time in university. I am currently in the closet about my sexuality (I’ll get to that in a minute), but I have finally personally accepted that I am not straight, even though I have known this for years. The reason I am posting this now is that I am still confused about my sexuality. I know many people don’t like to put labels on their sexuality, but I really just wanted someone to hear my story and give me their opinion. I do plan on seeing a therapist when I am back at school in the fall, but right now I am studying in another country and cannot do that, so I thought this would be an appropriate place to seek advice until I see a therapist.

    I am essentially confused about whether I am homosexual or bisexual, and I will post reasons for both, though I personally am leaning towards believing I am homosexual (though this changes pretty much every day…)

    Homosexuality:

    From the first time I masturbated when I was thirteen, I have consistently had fantasies about having sex with men. In terms of both pornography and people I see in public, I generally find men to be much more attractive then women. I have never done anything with a man, not even a kiss, and I have never been emotionally attracted to a man in a romantic way (although I do have a couple of very close male friends, all of whom are straight). As for the type of physical attraction, I am generally more attracted tot more muscular men and hairier men. I have never told another person about these attractions, but I am just at the point where I am finding it very frustrating to keep it bottled up inside any longer. For many years, even while I was consistently having fantasies about homosexual sex, I went through many types of denial in terms of believing I was straight. I said it was a phase. I said I was jealous of these men, and if I attained a body like them, I would no longer be attracted to them (this one of the reasons I started lifting, which I don’t regret, since I really enjoy it and find it to be a great stress reliever).

    Bisexuality:

    Although I exclusively masturbated to the thoughts of men at first (from about the age of 13), when I was 16 I began to occasionally masturbate to the images and thoughts of women. However, these attractions have waxed and waned, while my attraction to men has been consistent. I don’t really have a type of woman I am particularly attracted to, though I do find that watching a man go down on a woman is particularly attractive. When I watch heterosexual pornography, I sometimes look at the man as well, though at times I have legitimately masturbated to the thought of women.

    I have not hooked up with a lot of women, but I have generally enjoyed kissing and interacting sexually with women. I am still a virgin in terms of vaginal sex (see below for more detail), but immediately after I hook up with a women, my fantasies in terms of masturbation focus much more on women than usual, especially in terms of fellatio and cunninglingus.

    However, last year, I started dating a girl, and I fell in love. We dated for about 9 months before she broke up with me, but while I was with her, I was completely in love with her, and she was completely in love with me. However, the relationship was not only emotional, but there was a solid physical attraction as well. I loved her body, and I loved hooking up with her. When I was with her sexually, I did not think about men. I thought only about her. What I enjoyed most about her body were her breasts, fingering her, and receiving oral sex with her. I went down on her only once (she always said she wanted to please me instead), but I did not enjoy it that much (although I know many heterosexual men who say this as well, though I still enjoy the idea of it in pornography, if that makes any sense). We were intimate probably 4-5 times a week at the height of our relationship. Although we did not have vaginal sex (I thought I wanted to wait for marriage, which we planned on doing), it would easily have been possible.

    Towards the end of our relationship, I did not have a chance to see her as much, as we were no longer living next door to each other. At this point, I started having a few physical problems, in terms of staying erect during fellatio. This is where I am confused. On one hand, this could very well be because I am homosexual and stopped enjoying sex with women. On the other hand, we were also having emotional problems in the relationship. When we resolved these problems (ironically shortly before she broke up with me), I stopped having the physical problems in the bedroom. She broke up with me a short time later, and I was devastated. However, I know she is still in love with me (she asked me to get back together a few months later, but I said no, even though I still believe she is the love of my life). She will be the first person I come out to (or perhaps my father) because I would be extremely upset if she hears the news from anyone but me.

    Conclusion:

    Basically, I’m just not sure what I am. While I was in the relationship with this woman, I was completely satisfied. Although I still masturbated to homosexual pornography, it was much less frequent (partly because I was more likely to watch heterosexual pornography and partly because I was masturbating a lot less). However, after the break-up, I have found that heterosexual pornography doesn’t do it for me as much. This is a consistent theme in my relationships with women. While I am with a woman, I find women much more attractive, but when I am single, I find men much more attractive, as if homosexuality is my default state. Although I know I am capable of loving a woman both sexually and emotionally, I am scared that one day I will get bored. I do not want to go into a marriage lying, and I do not want to cheat on a future wife, especially with a man. It would be unfair to her and would humiliate her.

    I don’t know if I’m actually bisexual, or if I’m just using this bisexuality as a final form of denial against homosexuality. Sometimes I feel I am definitely homosexual, but other times I think back to my relationships with women, and I feel different.

    Sorry for all the details, but what’s your opinion? Homosexual? Bisexual? Homosexual with bicurious tendencies?

    (This article only gets into my sexual orientation, I haven’t even begun to discuss how scared I am to come out of the closet).
     
  2. Lexington

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    Welcome to EC!

    It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that one's sexual orientation/identity is set in stone, and once you start getting "data", you'll quickly figure out which it is. And that IS true for many people, for the most part. But for other people, their sexuality is more fluid. Even among bisexuals, they may find they're more interested in one gender than the other at different times of their lives. And it seems the younger you are, the more likely your sexuality will be fluid. (Even here, us old people are more likely to get "stuck in our ways". :slight_smile: ) So I wouldn't worry too much about precisely pegging where your sexuality is at.

    Your post certainly suggests bisexual. You've shown you can be in a physical and emotional relationship with a woman (without forcing things), and you seem not only interested in guys sexually, but you don't seem overly freaked out by the idea of being with a guy. So if you want to have a label, "bisexual" will do for now. And feel free to write it in pencil - things can and do change. :slight_smile:

    Will you "get bored"? Perhaps. But I've often said that this trait certainly isn't exclusive to bisexuals. I'm attracted to both muscular and geeky guys, for instance. So if I get into an exclusive relationship with a geek, will that mean I'll someday "get bored" with the whole geek thing, and want to hook up with a muscular guy? Honestly, no way of knowing. My theory is that if you're satisfied NOW, and happy NOW, then there's no use worrying about the future. I'd say full disclosure would be the right move, but other than that, I wouldn't hamper my current happiness for something that might or might not happen in the future.

    Lex
     
  3. ijustdontknow90

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    Thanks Lexington.

    I don't why I didn't put this in the first post, but I actually am very afraid of being with a guy. I said I just accepted I'm not straight, but up until this point, I really rejected my attraction to men. I used to try to avoid looking at men on the street and to avoid gay porn (to no avail of course). I also used to pray sometimes that I would wake up the next day and no longer be attracted to men. Recently, just as I accepted my attraction to men, I had a few sobbing sessions even (alone of course). This is why I first wrote that I feel I am more homosexual than bisexual.
     
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    Hello there, and welcome to EC! :smilewave

    I have the impression that you mainly want us to tell you you're gay, but I'm in the same boat as Lex, above. My bet is on bisexual. I'm hardly the final authority on other people's sexuality, but your description of your relationship with this girl does sound like nothing I ever experienced with a girl. at most, I'd get infatuated with a girl, all the way through regretting she was saddled with a female body. What you describe seems much more honest and complete than mere denial.

    Maybe you could say that you're more attracted to men in general than to women in general, but who we fantasize about and who we fall in love with can be different sometimes. Real people tend to overrule vague fantasies that way.
    And while porn can be an indication, don't treat it as the final authority either. I still watch straight porn, occasionally. Without screaming :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: But I definitely know I'm not intrested in women anyway.


    So, yeah, if you love someone emotionally and physically, then it's best to go with the flow, I think. Whether that next person you meet is a guy or a girl. Other temptations and moments of boredom might happen, but that is not all that different from what happens to any relationship whether gay or straight. If and when that happens, they all have to decide whether to work through it or to call it a day.


    Maybe not the clear-cut answer you were hoping, but I do hope our opinions can at least help you along a bit!
     
  5. ijustdontknow90

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    Thanks for the help. I do feel like I'm gay, just because I am much more attracted to men in the abstract, but on a personal level I do enjoy hooking up with women. It's very odd. Every time I finally say to myself I'm gay, I think back to past relationships with women. I'm just really confused, which is why I will probably see a therapist in the fall.
     
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    I agree with those above that you are probably bisexual but with a preference for guys. I dont think you should worry about whether you are bisexual or homosexual in terms of becoming bored with a partner its just something you are never going to know, even if you are bisexual it doesnt mean you will become bored, bisexuality doesnt make you any less able to have a committed relationship. I am currently with my first ever girlfriend and I have been with her almost 2 years, I could say to myself being as she is my first girlfriend will I get bored of her and wonder what else is out there that I am missing out on? But the truth is I dont know at the moment I love her and I want to be with her and im not interested in what else is out there. If I get to the point where I am wondering what else is out there that im missing then it probably means the relationship has run its time and come to an end. I dont know if that makes any sense.

    I think the best thing you can do if see the therapist like you plan and in the meantime just go with the flow if you want to tell some of your friends just tell them what you told us, you know you're not straight but you havent quite figured it out yet and whoever you fall in love with next girl or guy just go with it, as long as you love them it wont matter.
     
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    Yes, sounds like you are bisexual. I agree with the other posts.
     
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    Your story seems similar to mine. Personally, I'm leaning towards a "gay with exceptions" label though I did start out calling myself bi (I am just never sure where the cut off is for claiming bisexuality or if the attractions to women are just exception because they are fairly rare (if genuine)).
     
  9. Nat3

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    Hello and Welcome to EC.
    Labels sometimes are ugh.xD
    Be what you feel more comfortable with...
    And if you still feel like there is something missing... look for the missing puzzle piece.
    Do you see yourself living with a guy? Having a house etc?
     
  10. ijustdontknow90

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    Nat3, as for a long term commitment to a guy, I really don't know. Before I admitted to myself that my feelings for men were permanent, I would have said absolutely not. Now, I guess I see it as a possibility, but I'm still resisting it and see myself with a wife in the future. But, I really don't know if these are my true feelings or if I'm just scared.

    My sexual fantasies with men clearly overpower my fantasies with women. I have finally accepted that. But I think I also have to realize that there is a difference between fantasy and realty. I need to just to focus on finding a partner that makes me happy.

    For now, I'm just going to call myself "not straight." Of course, I'm not nearly ready to tell anyone else yet, so publicly I won't be out. However, I have vowed to tell whoever I end up with, man or woman, about my true feelings, which is a huge step forward for me. I used to just say I would hide it my whole life.

    I want to thank everyone for the help. I have never told a single person about these desires, and it feels like a huge weight has been lifted.
     
  11. Nat3

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    Hello Again, it is good to hear that you are accepting more your feelings and yourself.
    One thing I may recommend, thought, is to not become too fixated on the sexual attraction. Being gay or bi is not just about feeling sexually attracted, but of other stuff as well.
     
  12. ijustdontknow90

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    I guess the other reason I kind of doubt being bisexual is the order my attractions appeared. I feel as though most homosexual/bisexual people first are attracted to the opposite sex (or think they are) before realizing that they are attracted to their own sex. For me, it's the opposite. I was first sexually attracted to men and only later did I start being attracted to women. I also really wanted to be straight, so sometimes I doubt whether I'm actually attracted to women. At the same time, I am always satisfied when I'm a relationship with a woman. Hmm. But the fact that my attractions appeared in the reverse form of other people concerns me. What are your opinions on this?
     
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    It's hard to say, really. I can say in retrospect that I already stared at guys from when I was 9 or 10 years old. I was always more fascinated by the male roles in books, TV shows or movies. And I could be very obsessed with befriending some guys in my class and hanging out with them as much as possible.
    Hindsight is 20/20, though, and I'm not sure if this counts as genuine attraction rather than that "girls are icky, guys are cool" stage that a lot of straight kids have as well.

    And after that, I distinctly remember honestly crushing on a girl when I was about 12, and a couple of months crushing 5 times as hard on a guy and never going back to girls.
    So, to the best of my memory, it was just a confusing time of not knowing what I really liked. There was (I feel) always an element of same-sex attraction there, though.

    I'll admit, the satisfaction you seem to have when dating women can be confusing. I've never dated women before myself, so I honestly can't say whether that is normal, or whether it would go away in time.
    Easy solution (in theory, that is) would be, obviously, to compare with dating a guy. Or at least befriending local GLBT people and seeing where that leads. Might be that you find out feelings that way that you couldn't figure out when just doing the thought exercise.

    So, does your uni have a GLBT society that you could go to? Any other way you could meet GLBT people in the flesh?
     
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    i'ma go ahead and disagree with any of the labels so far... 'bisexual'....'gay'....

    you're a person =) you're unique, and just as your personality and body are unique, so is your sexuality.

    join the club!

    hehe

    i hope you learn to enjoy your difference =)

    the best way to learn about it is to recognise that it DOESN'T MATTER which way you lean, or whether you lean both ways, or which way you lean more than the other....

    it really, really doesn't, and the sooner you don't mind how you turn out, the more rapidly you will learn about yourself.

    hit me up if you're ever after a chat with a random who won't judge you =)

    [edit] oh and by the way after 2 years here i still don't really know what i am either, but i am content with that, because i know it will work itself out with time.

    You never stop learning about yourself as you grow older... a fact we should all be thankful for. If we did stop, life would be so very dull.
     
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    All I really have to say is that I feel similar sometimes. I'll lead to one gender one day and the next I'll be the opposite and thoroughly challenging my sexuality. It's always changing. It's confusing sometimes (okay, a lot of the time), but I'm kind of accepting it. I think that might be how your feeling a little bit. I think everyone has that changing in their sexuality. It's never really solid.
     
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    Thanks for all the help. I know labels can be stupid, but they also give you a sense of permanence. Right now, if I had to choose, I would say homosexual, with pansexual attractions to women, if that makes any sense.

    Anyway, the last couple days have been really hard, or at least some of them. Some days, I am perfectly fine with me being gay or whatever it is, but other days I am totally freaked out and can't concentrate on anything else.

    I know my family will accept me (they're extremely liberal and support gay marriage and all that), but I am really worried about my best friend. He actually lives in another country, and where's he's from, homosexuality is not exactly tolerated, to any extent. I know a lot of people say, "well if doesn't accept you, he's not really your best friend." I've never believed this to be true. We're all products of the environments we grew up in, and if you don't know any better, it's not your fault.

    Hmm, I'm rambling, but basically I just need to make it through the summer until I can see a psychologist and start to figure things out.

    Thanks again.
     
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    >>>I know my family will accept me (they're extremely liberal and support gay marriage and all that), but I am really worried about my best friend. He actually lives in another country, and where's he's from, homosexuality is not exactly tolerated, to any extent. I know a lot of people say, "well if doesn't accept you, he's not really your best friend." I've never believed this to be true. We're all products of the environments we grew up in, and if you don't know any better, it's not your fault.

    Well, be that as it may, if he can't overcome his society's prejudices to accept the fact that you're gay, then he's decided that his society's prejudices are more important to him than his friendship with you. And while that might be understandable to some degree, that still means he's not a friend in my book.

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    Another point of view perhaps: if you don't give him an opportunity to break out of his culture, then how is he ever going to do it? Waiting until he randomly has an epiphany about gay people?

    Coming out to friends is a bit of a risk. But often, even if it takes some time, a good friendship wins out in the end. If you come out right, he might be able to see that you're not a different person than the one he knew all along. And even if he's not A-OK with it, you might just agree to disagree on the topic.

    Finally, assuming you know better than he does how he'll react is always a tenuous proposition. Maybe he owes a chance to prove himself in the positive sense!

    Those are just some thoughts, though: there's no hurry to come out to him now or in the next few weeks. But odds of a good reaction with friends are IMO always a bit bigger than you'd estimate.
     
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    Hey

    well, it really sounds like you are gay. That's just my opinion. I haven't ever masturbated to men (this is mostly because I plan on changing my gender and I despise my penis) but I have had sex with a woman. She was beautiful and everything and we loved eachother.

    But I digress.

    It seems that the important question to ask is "Would I enjoy my life more as a gay man, woman, or straight?" for me, o found my answer in the fact that I'd be happier as a girl.

    You need to think, would I enjoy fooling around with a woman, or would I find love with a man? People say we don't chose to be gay and that's true, but we chose to act on these feelings. Act and take a chance or don't and continue to feel this way.

    It's all in your hands my friend.

    Hope you find the answer down the road,

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    I think, even in this thread, you've experienced the sort of bargaining that most everyone goes through as they come to understand their sexuality.

    It does sound to me, from what you've described, that you are more toward the gay side of the spectrum, and have been in the heterosexual relationships more to try and convince yourself that you're straight. I doubt you're 100% gay (few people actually are either 100% gay or 100% straight, according to most available literature on the subject) but it seems like as you've responded to this thread, you've become more comfortable with the idea that you're gay or pretty close to gay.

    And it's great that you're feeling more comfortable with that label.

    The sex thing will come in time. Having gay sex sort of seals the deal and that can be a scary thought to some people. So there's no rush to go and get it on with a guy, but instead to continue the path you're on... explore your feelings, discuss the things that come up for you, and see where it leads you.

    Sounds like you're exactly where you should be :slight_smile: