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Should I believe Tory, Cory or Joe; and does Joe seem like he'd be a potential bf

Discussion in 'Coming Out Advice' started by don29002, Sep 1, 2011.

  1. don29002

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    So I have a massive problem I need your opinion on. PLEASE read the whole thing--every sentence is important, but most people just answer my question on YA without reading it at all--and give feedback.
    My choice I have to make is: 1) Whether I should date my cousin Tory's best friend Joe; 2) Who I should believe about Joe. Tory's brother Cory keeps saying all these bad things about Joe and making it seem like Joe's such a bad person, yet when he gets around me he's the sweetest person in the world.
    So anyway let me get to the story:

    On the day before my 15th birthday, the 24th (basically this past Wednesday) my homophobic cousin brought his friend Joe over. Joe's good looking and he's a great person. Me and Joe are both Virgos--his birthday is this September 11, he'll be 14; don't let age fool you, he's 5'9--so our peaceful, calm personalities work out and we would be the perfect love match.
    However, Joe only stayed with me and my cousins for 3 days. Why? Him and one of my cousins--the one who he's best friends with, Tory--got into a fight and came to blows with each other over Joe not giving Tory his PS3 controller back.
    So later they both had to leave, and since my other cousin Cory (Tory's fraternal twin brother) wasn't involved in the fight, he was allowed to stay. But since Joe was so nice to me, I begged to let him stay over. (Also because prior to him coming over he was only a friend of my cousin's to me, but I warmed up to him and we're friends.) But my begging didn't work...

    So that happened within this past week. I almost cried after Joe left. If there was no fight, Joe would still be here. Him and Tory were supposed to leave today anyway. But I wanted to get to know Joe since he was the first great catch I'd seen. Kids at my high school are rude, mean, and I'm not close with most kids at my high school. Joe's going to high school, he's gonna be a freshman, and he has ADD; the major trait is that he has a short temper, and starts fights and drama easily. I feel bad for him; I don't want to see him hurt.

    Problem? Last year I moved to Freehold, New Jersey, and had to start a new high school for freshman year, but now I've adapted to it. I'm originally from Manalapan, NJ, and Joe went to the same middle school I do. However, Joe lives in Englishtown, NJ, 15 minutes from where I live, so we don't go to the same high school.

    My question is: Based on what I said about Joe, and my history with trying to get girls (Joe's the first guy I've genuinely liked so I'm not gonna say boys because I've been screwed over emotionally by 6 boys on 6 different occassions. Joe is the first one I genuinely care about.) why can't the right person come along in my life? And when (in my opinion) the right person did come in my life, why did it end so soon?

    And sorry for the additional deets but Joe does call things "gay". Example: Tory humping Joe.
    Also me and Joe had alone time last night before the fight happened btwn he and Tory. I wanted to ask him if he's bi but I never got the chance to.

    (About Cory) Here's a conversation me and my other friend were IMing each other about (about Cory):

    Me: I don't know whether to believe Cory or not but I know hes trying to make me be on his side (being against Joe) by saying all these bad things about joe
    And Tory has ALWAYS been like that. Doing bad things. Having conniptions over little things. But Cory told me also that Joe made Tory a bad boy. Made him smoke, made him do drugs
    So I don't know whether to believe him.
    I know this is a lot of writing but also C and T's mom Lynn told my mom (I overheard them) that Tory was a good kid until he was 8 years old, and he had a collision and ever since then he's been bad
    My Friend:
    Don't you think your taking this a little to seriously, I mean , even if Joe did fucked up Tory I'm sure hes not going to do the same thing, Maybe Cory is just jealous
    Me:
    :But Cory said he doesn't associate with Joe anymore because of the stupid crap he's done (and I've told you)
    My Friend: It doesnt sound like Cory is a good kid by talking behind Joes back, if anything Cory is a drama queen
    Me
    s:He said their whole family is like that. They have short tempers--which I've seen myself--and the only difference is Tory displays his drama in public and acts out in school; Cory is like me and he keeps it inside until the person's gone
    My Friend:
    Dude, I know people like Cory & trust me, they have nothing better to do than to start shit behind peoples backs
    Me:
    True but he is the funniest kid my age I know and hes generally a good kid. However, everybody (myself included) in my neighborhood talk shit about someone, and Tory and Lynn appear frequently. Every adult in my neighborhood says that Tory is the way he is b/c Lynn doesn't control him when he gets out of line. Now, Lynn drinks and smokes, and shes on welfare and shes haad her kids almost removed from her by DYFS
    Me:
    Remember DYFS is Social Services here in New Jersey
    My Friend:
    Okay, but your in the same position as Tory, & how come you didnt turn out all fucked up like he did? People dont turn fucked up because they dont listen to Lynn or because they fallow Joe's but because of the person that they are
    Me:
    I didn't turn out like Tory because I was NEVER rebellious and I never dare to act out and do shit he does. I wouldn't be beat but I'd get a stern yelliing

    And I would never act out like Tory in a million years. I know better. Also Cory was saying it's in Lynn's side of the family where they get their short tempers, bipolar disorder, and tantrums
    It just happened to Tory at such a young age

    In a later conversation...

    Me: so what do you think of the paragraph where i said where I'd never act like Tory in a million years?

    My Friend: I dont really know, because I dont know know Tory, I only know him for what you described

    Me: And I am telling the truth btw based on my experiences with him and Cory and Lynn

    My Friend: There's 2 sides to every story, maybe Tory is just insecure

    Me: He's insecure in what way? Do you think he's lacking affection from Lynn?

    My Friend: I mean did Lynn ever disapline him when he was lil?

    Me: Not to my knowledge, but my mom said she doesn't think so either, but if you ask him, she said, he'd probably tell you. I think he'd lie since that's what he does best and say yeah she did. If she did when he was little then she wouldn't HAVE this problem child!

    Cory--and my mom, which is normal--was even trying to persuade me not to get involved with kids like Joe; he said even Joe hangs out with bad influential kids, so even if Joe didn't hang out with Tory it would be someone else who's bad. However, if Joe's so bad why would he act all sweet around me? He wasn't mean or anything and he was very nice. I told my friend this in a separate IM and he said Cory is just jealous of Tory and Joe's friendship. However, what I didn't tell him is that about an hour before the fight where Tory and Joe had to leave, Joe got my mom's keys out her handbag--since she was asleep--and he took me across the street to our beanch of the Nestle Factory for 2 reasons: 1) Their parking lot is very wide and there weren't many cars there at 12am; 2) He didn't think we'd get in trouble--luckily we didn't because I got scared. He was drifting and driving fast in circles around the Nestle parking lot, and I told him he was scaring me shitless by drifting fast, so he understood, and took me home. What people don't realize about Joe is that even though he hangs around bad people and is perceived to be a bad influence, every time he comes around me he is the sweetest person in the world. If he notices somebody talked shit about me and I was crying, he'd come to my defense and I'd be behind him all the way. If Tory was talking shit about me--and remember Tory is his best friend--he'd come to my defense and tell Tory to shut the fuck up. Just like Cory, my mom told me to stop hanging around Joe because he's a bad influence. But I haven't told her what I said about Joe, and I intend to keep it that way. Joe didn't crash the car in the Nestle incident. She also told me even if Joe stops coming with Tory he'd bring someone else bad anyway. I'd open up to Joe, and have him open up as well, but even if he is the "bad influence" my mom, Cory, and Cory and Tory's 21 year old brother Koron says he is, Joe makes me happy and he makes me smile when I'm down. I haven't told him that yet but I might when he comes over again this Tuesday....
    And he probably--no, he DOES--have Tory in tow.

    Btw I went on Facebook and told Joe everything bad Tory does, my opinion on how Tory treats him/uses him, how great a person I think he is, and that I hope we could be friends. (And he said we can) But Joe did open up; first he told me though that Tory went into Joe's Facebook and read my message to him and got pissed off again....
     
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    >>>don't let age fool you, he's 5'9--so our peaceful, calm personalities work out and we would be the perfect love match.

    ...already lost me.

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    I know you're probably stuck thinking he's perfect and the one for you, but it would be a huge surprise if a romantic relationship with him lasted through the year.
     
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    Yeah, to be honest, I don't see your post as a request for feedback. I see it as a request for confirmation. Your mind is made up. So you may as well go for it.

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    There's a lot of baggage here to sift through, but from what I've gathered, you've been around Joe for maybe 2 days, although the two of you might have been acquaintances from school for a little while.

    Best thing I can say is cool your jets, Juliet. If Cory says Joe's a bad kid, and you only have the (limited) amount of time you've known him to compare that with, then Cory's statements are probably closest to the truth.

    You're looking at this through rose-coloured glasses, thinking Joe was made for you and you for Joe. Fact is, height and astrological sign mean absolutely nothing when it comes to dating compatibility and I figure Joe was just being nice out of courtesy to his host, which might not reflect his personality. Don't go for it. Joe being gay/bi is a moot point anyhow, so don't think about asking him out unless he tells you himself.

    You seem like a smart kid. You're only 15. There are other guys and girls out there that you'll meet. Let this one go.
     
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    Yeah. I've been trying to hang out with Joe since when he was over my house in August; he came over around the time my birthday was supposed to come around. He even told me happy birthday which was cute--at 2:00 in the morning.
    Tory is so much of a controller--Tory and Joe are best friends and every time Tory comes over my house he brings over one of his friends, but Joe seemed to actually be a humble guy like a box of apple pie lol.
    I wanna spend time with Joe--WITHOUT Tory because I secretly think they're gay and have a relationship together, because they were ALWAYS around each other every time he and Joe were here--so that I can find out more about him.
    We live in different towns but we live 20 minutes from each other. He lives in the same town as Tory, but they live 5 minutes from each other which I wish I could live next door to Joe so I could be friends with him like Tory is.
     
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    Cory and your mom think that Joe is a bad influence because they can see that he's the kind of kid who would get you involved in something like stealing your mom's car keys and driving like a maniac around the parking lot across the street, even though he is only 13 years old. They may not know about that particular incident, but they clearly have observed that he does that kind of thing.

    It has nothing to do with whether he is a nice person or a mean one, but rather to do with his tendency to go do crazy, dangerous, self-destructive and illegal things.
     
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    Also I think Tory and Joe are secretly gay together and I'm sticking to that. He and Tory were ALWAYS together when they were here and every time I told Tory I wanted to be alone with Joe he'd get super jealous and yell and scream at me in my face.
    When they went home, Joe and Tory were at Joe's house (they live 5 minutes from each other and 25 from me) and Joe was on his Facebook, so I decided--since I was pissed off at Tory and madly in love with Joe--to tell Joe that basically Tory's a bad kid and that I would treat him better than Tory does if we were friends. Well Joe loved the IM I sent him on Facebook but he said Tory read it and started screaming...
     
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    Yeah, if I were Tory, that would upset me too, whether they are just friends or dating.
     
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    So true. But Tory is abusive and controlling toward his friends and mostly toward me too. So when he was talking shit about me because I'm bi, [he's probably closeted] guess what I did. I got the nearest stool and literally threw it 5 feet--from where I was standing to where he was sitting; we were looking RIGHT at each other when I threw it--to his face, and my cousin who witnessed it said he almost started to cry.
    That throw was for him abusing me with his words all my life, and for what I think about him.
     
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    Well just go with your heart.
     
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    I will, and always do. The heart has it's bad days, as well as it's glorious days. But when my mind fails me, I go to my heart for answers and it never stops helping me. :slight_smile: