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Discussion in 'Coming Out Advice' started by bdman, Oct 6, 2011.

  1. bdman

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    Hi,

    I can't believe I'm typing this. This seems so strange. I am completely new to all of this and just finally beginning to come out to myself although a little later in life than some of you.

    I can trace back to knowing I was different to around 12 or so. I didn't understand what was wrong with me, just thought I was weird. At some point in my mid teens, It was obvious I was not attracted to girls. I knew there were guys I seemed to want to hang around with, but I didn't connect it with sexual attraction. It was more like, I wanted to be like them, get my hair cut like them, look like them or just wanted to hang around them b/c we had the same interests. Buy the time I did realize there was sexual attraction, I buried it and tried not to think about it. I was raised in extreme christian fundamentalism. So I just told myself I was weird and resigned my self to being alone for life. I never once even allowed myself to even think I was gay. It's amazing how you can wire you brain to believe almost anything. This must be what it feels like to go through a conversion or ex-gay camp.

    I know I could never share these thoughts with my family. I can't stand the thought of how they would look at me. If they found out, the best thing that could happen would be for them to cut ties with me, but that wouldn't happen either. Too big a family, they would keep me around to torture me. Knowing what everyone would be thinking of me would mean, I couldn't be around them anymore. I would be so embarrassed and ashamed. I was trained to believe gay is one of the worst things a person could be, and I don't think I will ever shake that. I was lucky that my personality and interests could never have connected me to being gay. Except for the fact that I always thought the Golden Girls were hilarious. I spent my lift making sure no one would think I was gay. I buried myself in my work and used that as an excuse to why I didn't have a girlfriend.

    Anyway going through the internet and watching coming out stories got me thinking more about my situation and eventually led me here. I am just trying to feel better about myself. I have tons of concerns, and feel like I'm beginning to enter a world that frightens me and I don't want to be a part of. Some of the images I have of this world aren't very flattering. A bunch of weird people hanging out in dirty bathrooms, flamboyant individuals dancing around on poles in diseased bars, etc... I don't have the image of a loving same sex couple in a committed relationship. I'm trying to learn more about this world and get the right picture.

    thanks,
     
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    Hi and welcome to the site =)

    I think there are a few reasons for the imagery of homosexuality being the way you portrayed it. One is that compared to other minorities in our societies, the LGBT community is defined by its sexual practices and desires. Thus it is what comes to mind when you think of it. Also, because there are less potential dates out there and they are harder to identify, a lot of times people feel forced to go to gay bars and stuff like that to meet other gay people. Bars are largely a place of promiscuity. Not to mention a lot of the stereotypes or just ignorantly spread by people who want an excuse to hate us.

    As for myself. I've been in a relationship for over a year. Its very possible to have a long term same sex relationship. In fact some study has shown that same sex couples are more likely to stay together for at least 5 years then straight couples.

    I know this is hard to accept, but there's nothing wrong with being gay, and I feel proud of enduring hardship because of it and a sense of community that I never felt before. God luck. I hope you find what you are looking for =)
     
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    Here it is if your thinking you could be gay its ok. The one thing that you need to know is that lying to your self will not help you ever. I lied to myself for years. I lived in the south where it was wrong and hated so i know how your thinking. But i say to you that it will be ok if you find out that you are happer being true to your self. Just look around and you will see that its not a bad thing being gay and that there are lots of people out there that will accept you for who you truly are.
     
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    1. Sadly, the media likes to portray gay men as either comic relief or sex-crazed deviants. In reality, gay men are exactly like straight men in terms of lifestyle and personality; we're all different! :] Some gay men are not good people, and many gay men are good people. Would it be right to assume all straight men are alcoholic hicks that sleep with their sisters and crush beer cans on their head? Of course not. Same goes for gay men.

    2. I am a flamboyant individual who enjoys dancing about on poles in clubs. I am also in a loving, committed relationship; we have been together for three years and known each other since 2005, and are waiting for the chance to marry. Be careful of stereotypes; just because someone matches a supposed stereotype doesn't mean that they are bad people.

    I think the more time you spend around real GLBT people, the more you will become comfortable. And just go with it... you don't have to be gay, straight or anything else right now. As you become more comfortable, maybe things will become clearer on their own. But if you do find that you are gay, it's okay. There is nothing wrong with being gay, despite what some people say.
     
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    Tennbad -- Similar boat. Though I don't know how you define later in life, I'm approaching 30 and finally confronting these thoughts and feelings. It's really hard to take these steps, but I imagine we both ended up posting here because, at long last, we've come to realize the lives we were living were unhealthy and unsustainable (empty?). I'm on this site a few weeks now, and its been really helpful thus far. I'm still just taking baby steps, but at least it's something. In any event, here to listen if you want advice or to share more of your story.
     
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    Hi and welcome to EC. I was in a similar situation and did not come out until 40, after I had been married for some time and had kids. Like you, I never imagined I could admit to anyone I was gay. I was also raised to believe gays were bad people, and I never knew any gay role models.

    Fast forward to today, and I am completely out. I am in a stable, long term committed relationship with another lawyer. We are a pretty old fashioned couple, except we both happen to be men. While I realize this is not the image you see of gay couples in the media, this is actually more the norm, in my experience.

    I strongly encourage you to find a therapist. Mine saved my life. Talk to him or her about your feelings. Take things slowly. The first step is becoming comfortable with who you are. You don't have to tell anyone, now or in the future, unless you want to. And if you decide to come out, it is up to you to decide when and to whom.
     
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    Welcome tennbad! I have a lot of the same questions too, regarding religion and a lot of other things, so you're not alone.

    Facing those questions is really scary. I don't know how many nights I've lain awake wondering if I was going to hell and why I couldn't 'fix' myself. I can't provide you with answers myself. But you're not alone.

    I know how frightening it is, too, when you know your parents wouldn't react well to knowing you're homosexual.

    I'm not sure any of us can exactly provide you with answers--I think that's probably something everybody has to figure out for themselves. But you're not alone. None of us are alone, here or anywhere.

    Welcome to EC.
     
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    Thanks to everyone that replied. I hope I didn't offend anyone with my description of what the "gay image" that was placed in my mind from an early age. That certainty would not have been my intention.

    By later in life, I meant that I seem to be older than most of the small sample of people I've seen on-line. I'm in my mid 30's, work in a technical field (I was a physics major) and surrounded by homophobes all my life.

    My family are huge Pat Robertson supporters for as long as I can remember. Imagine trying to explain being gay to Pat, and that's what it would be like to talk to my family. Anyway, telling anyone is the last thing on my mind right now. First, I just need to somehow get comfortable with who I am and just start with that.

    I considered a therapist but decided it was too high a financial investment in this economy.

    Believe it or not, I've never met a LGBT person. Well, I probably have met them but they would have had no reason to discuss orientation. I probably need to go someplace just to meet and have casual conversation with LGBT people, but probably not a bar. I don't know if there is anything else, but this would probably a couple of steps down the road.

    Anyway, I plan to do some reading here and will probably have some questions. Some of you mentioned you were in a similar boat and I would be interested in learning about your Journey. I will try and look up some of your posts.

    Thanks again everybody.
     
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    Oh man. That Pat Robertson. For what it's worth, I have a distant relative who is like that. Stern people, devout Christians with a black and white world view. Their daughter came out not too long ago. While I don't know the conversations that were had behind the scenes, her role in the family has not changed an iota. She's still as much a part of everything as she ever was. Ultimately, the family rallied around her.
     
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    That's good to know, I think she was lucky.

    I read one of your other posts when you talked about "learning the ropes". I think I feel kinda the same way. I know squat about same sex relationships. At my age (35) I feel that I wouldn't be at the same "experience level" and it would be awkward. I would feel like a teenager not knowing what to do.

    Another problem is I seem to be attracted to youth (20 somethings). Part of it might be at my age people start to gain weight, not to mention that my line of work many people my age don't care about their physical appearance. Of course no one would argue that youth is attractive anyway, male or female. I am also at a different stage of my life than the young crowd, not to mention that I don't want to be creepy. So I feel kinda stuck even if I was ready to explore these suppressed feelings. I don't know if you can relate to this part, but it does seem like starting over in a strange new world.

    If you come up with some good resolutions, I would be interested in hearing them.
     
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    I'm in the same boat . . . I'm 30 and just coming out now. The analogy to feeling like a teenager is particularly apt. I'm kind of worried I . . . won't know what to do, or something! I guess teenagers figure it out, though, so theoretically we should be able to, too.

    I don't think liking 20somethings makes you creepy . . . that's not THAT big an age gap, and there are bound to be people in that age group who actually prefer someone older. i fall into the preferring someone older camp . . . even when i dated men, i'd never date anyone younger. right now i'm talking to someone i met on an online dating site (oy! that sounds so cheesy . . .) and she's 18 yrs older than me. i had some reservations about that big an age gap, but so far, age hasn't been an issue.
     
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    Yeah, I hear you. Honestly, I'm just trying to put one foot in front of the other. I got a late start in my sexual relationships with women. My first few times, I fumbled around like an idiot. I met a great girl who had a little more experience than I did, and I don't think I ever thought about performance issues or learning the ropes again.

    I'm really hoping it's the same deal here. It'll be awkward at first, no doubt. But let's just hope we connect with someone who we can laugh with and work through it. I mean, we've gotta catch a break at some point, right?

    As for age, you're thinking about this entirely the wrong way! It makes complete sense you are attracted to 20-somethings. Think about the straight community - who do middle age men gawk at? Most of these actresses, swim suit models, etc. are in their early 20s. To look at it more generally, your feelings are hypothetical at this point - you are not telling people your gay or connecting to people on an emotional level, so it's largely physical at this point. OF COURSE your purely physical attraction is going to gravitate towards more youthful, physically fit dudes. I'd sort of be surprised if they didn't.

    As for resolutions, there are only two on my plate: 1. open up my mind to the idea of being gay more. I'm still fighting it, and I need to start embracing it - I can't change it so every day I spend avoiding it is just another day hurting myself. 2. figure out a way to do the honorable thing with respect to my girlfriend. I'm pulled away, and now I'm just gradually letting her fall out of love with me, without any explanation for my passivity.
     
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    Thanks, redstormrising and stilllovelyafte,

    I needed to hear that some of the things I'm thinking are not exactly abnormal.

    stillovelyafte - you got me thinking of my relationships with women. Now that I think about it, I was more emotionally connected to my girlfriends than physically, well at least as I got older that gap grew wider. I can honestly say I don't think I've had a relationship that lasted more than a year or so. I think you said your current relationship is 7 years old so I can see how this would be difficult on both of you. Its been around 4 years since my last one and that's when I got really depressed and just buried myself in my career.

    thanks to both of you again