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Mom going to the priest!

Discussion in 'Coming Out Advice' started by jimL, Jan 9, 2012.

  1. jimL

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    So as a lot of you already know I was raised a Roman Catholic. Urggggg! Most of the sermons were in Latin. I think this is the reason that I became so proficient in "spacing out." In my mind I have the ability to be in a completely different place than my physical being, which made it difficult to concentrate in school. That and hearing that I was going to hell for liking guys just made it impossible to pay attention to it all......If my mom only knew what was happening to me!

    So, I came out to my parents last July. They have been accepting, in fact my dad and I have a better relationship than we ever had. He told me that it explained a lot of things from the past and now he has a better understanding of me. Since coming out, my mom has been going back to church (she hasn't gone for many years), I think she is doing some real soul searching. She told me yesterday that she has called the priest and has an appointment to talk to him about me this Wednesday. I just don't know what to expect. I'm very nervous that she might ask me to talk to him. My first thought was "NO WAY," but I want her to be happy with all of this. Should I talk to him if she asks me too. What do you guys think?
     
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    I think you should speak with him if she asks you to. If it gets to the "you are going to hell" area, just get up and leave.
     
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    Personally, I wouldn't talk to him, but I'm sort of belligerent when it comes to religion. >_>

    On a better note, I've heard more stories about the priests being more understanding/accepting of GLBT-ness, lately. Granted, this is still not the universal norm, but there's hope you will get more of "Jesus still loves you" and less of "You're going to hell."

    If it will help smooth things over with your mom, maybe you should talk with him some. If he gets cray-cray on you, well, you already said that you are good at tuning people out!

    Let us know what you decide, and how it goes. (*hug*)
     
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    I'll have to say the same as MommaFrog , if it gets heated up there just leave.
    Good luck!
     
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    If she asks you to go meet with him, I would suggest going but making it very clear that you will stay only as long as you are comfortable with the conversation. If it turns into a big you're going to hell thing or a love the sinner, hate the sin thing, then you get up and leave and don't go back.
     
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    Actually - there is much potential for personal amusement with this. You go on, have a chat, and if he gets preachy or out of line, ask if he will do a sarah palin style exorcism, and ham it from there. I know I would.

    And, if after this episode your mother is upset, explain reality to her. Best of luck though :slight_smile:
     
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    I don't see what's to be gained by going to see her priest. She's more than welcome to see whoever she wants to to help her deal with your sexuality, but the thing to keep in mind is that YOU're not the one with the problem - SHE is.

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    Aside of playing nice for the mother, there is nothing to be gained. But, at the least, one could have fun with it.
     
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    >>>Aside of playing nice for the mother, there is nothing to be gained. But, at the least, one could have fun with it.

    OK, say you go, and you mock the priest and his religion. Does the priest laugh and say "Yeah, you got me - my religion is phony and hypocritical"? Does the mother then suddenly "get" her child, and throw her support completely behind him? All it will do is dig the chasm deeper and wider.

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    i think mom should talk to the priest if she wants.
    if she asks you to go to the priest i would ask her why she wants you to go: is it so she can have moral support and get all her feelings out about this? or is it so you can be coverted?
    if my mom needed me to go becuase she wanted to have some group therapy, i would do it. but if it was for me to go so i can be bashed, i would pass.

    i am not roman catholic but from what i understand it says that the orientation of homosexuality isn't a sin, but acting on the orientation is? if that's the case, then i mean, im not sure what benefit going will do since you probably already know what they are going to say.

    also, do you speak latin? how does anyone know what is being said in mass if it in latin? i always wondered about that.
     
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    I think you're dead...

    No, listen. And go if he says the slightest thing offensive. You don't need to hear the type of things he will say if he's coming to convert you.
     
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    im roman catholic (technically not though i never got confirmed thank..glob?) but the masses were never in latin

    tangent aside i agree with everyone else, go, and if it gets too much, politely leave

    its pretty weird, the entire time i was there i never heard the word gay or homosexual or any bashing at all, actually the confirmation guy bashed the church because they escorted a homeless person out (ironic)

    but i chuckled when the confirmation guy showed us a picture of a protein that just happpened to look like a cross and said its a sign.
     
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    Your life is yours. Not your mothers. And you're way, way past the age where your mother has any right to control (or even attempt to control) your behavior.

    Accordingly, I agree with Lex... unless there is some benefit to you, i see no reason whatsoever that you should go and talk to the priest at your mom's church. And if it comes up and she suggests otherwise, I think you can gently and tactfully explain that you're quite happy where you are, and you've got great resources for help with your therapist if you have any issues you want to discuss, so visiting her priest wouldn't provide any benefit to you, and is only likely to make you feel resentment toward her.

    She may have a little bit of trouble with that, but she needs to accept that you are entitled to live your life the way you want to, and that doesn't include going to see her priest. If she's a reasonable person, she should understand that.
     
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    Wow,

    I'm going to experience this if I ever come out to my mom or sister. Only it will be an evangelical pastor who has done anti-gay sermons on the radio.
     
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    Thanks for all the great advice. Lots to think about. I guess I tend to agree with Lex and Chip in that there will be no benefit for me, in fact Chip I think you are right that there is a risk that I could resent this action. In the best of both worlds she won't ask me to talk to him. It really is for her, not for me. The other part is that she is insisting that her older sister knows. I never had planed on telling her (she is 80 something) and very much into the Catholic religion. Mom and I have discussed it and we decided that she needs to tell her sister. Mom can hopefully help her sister through this.....and I think this is what the whole religion thing is about for my mom. Damn it's tough being gay! I'm sure one day all this will calm down. Thanks to everyone.
     
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    Consider it from your mom's point of view if you will: It probably took you quite some time (as it has taken many of us) to come to terms with your sexuality. Well, your mom is going through a similar process. She's probably just trying to find a way to get help in accepting this, which is a great thing! Her outlet is church, and she probably considers the priest a wise man and great source of guidance for her -- so really, it could be an awesome thing that she's seeking help from him. Different people draw strength from different things. That being said, if she wants you to talk to him, I would encourage you to do so, to help your mom, but as so many before me have advised, IF it does get uncomfortable and the priest is totally uncool about it, don't feel obliged to stay. Do you have any idea how your church views homosexuality and how your priest will react?
     
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    I don't see anything wrong with having a conversation at all. In fact, I think having open conversations like this is healthy. There's never anything problematic about sharing your heart. You will have your perspective of where you're at, and I see no problem in simply listening to his. We don't always have to only talk with people we agree with. Yes, it could be a difficult conversation, however, you may also find some thoughts that he shares comforting. We don't know. And consider this, you may even make a comment or two which softens his heart (if, in fact it is even hardened...again we don't really know). I'm all for making an impact.

    So, my encouragement is to let yourself be genuine and speak, there's no harm in either of you listening to the other's perspective and there's no real basis for argument when two people are just sharing where they are at. Whatever way you go, you have my support.
     
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    If your mom is having religious concerns, you can also have her look at DignityUSA.

    It's important to realize that the Church does sometimes change its mind about things. Many Catholics, including some Catholic priests, oppose the Church's current teaching. It is under constant debate within the Church. DignityUSA is an organization of Catholic laypeople that lobby for change in the Church's official policy on homosexuality.

    Also, if you don't have like, a whole bunch of siblings, it's likely that your mom and dad have violated a teaching of the church that is predicated on the same grounds as homosexuality: their ban on birth control. Both are said to cut the sexual act off from procreation.
     
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    My mom did go talk to the priest. She said that it went ok. She said that the priest said that god loves us all. He told her that he has a number of gay people in his congregation and that the church was sloooooowly changing.....I think he is just telling her what he thinks is the best thing for her to hear, I wonder if he listened to the world speech that the pope gave a little over a week ago, where he criticized all the countries that are accepting same sex marriages. Which, as he says "Threatens Human Dignity." WTF it's not about loving someone is it? It's about the religious agenda. It's about what makes him feel warm and fuzzy in his big bubble! Between that and all the anti homosexual crap going on in the U.S. east coast political campaigns I can't stand it! The only thing stopping me from just screaming right now is that I love my mom (my parents are very right wing). I feel like I'm caught in a rat trap. It's squeezing the life blood out of me. I hate myself right now. I wana be someone else in another time I hate this Fukn place i'm in.

    I wish I had all my EC friends here with me right now cuz I need the biggest group hug ever. I love you guys!
     
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    Well, hey, if her priest was as accepting as he sounds, then accept it and be thankful. He could have made it a lot harder on your mom, and therefore on you, but he didn't. The Catholic church is a big place after all (I'm not part of it but several friends are, the vast majority of whom are very accepting of lgbt peoples), and maybe your family happened to end up with one of the friendly ones.

    True, Benedict's comments are annoying. But John Paul II before him did much the same thing. It's not like he's breaking new ground. That said, I'm not thrilled about it either, but it doesn't mean that every Catholic is immediately falling in line to think whatever the pope tells them to think. Ideal or not, that's just not how things work.

    (Cyber) group hugs shall be shared. Hang in there! I think this counts as solid good news.

    (&&&)