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I feel like I'm dying inside

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  1. Prometheus

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    Recently I've been delving into and facing the issues that have plagued me for many years, namely my sexuality. I feel like I'm losing myself. I can't enjoy sex with women anymore, I wake up with intense anxiety. I feel very uncomfortable around all men, like I'm gonna attack them sexually or something. I don't know what to do, I feel completely helpless and like I'm in hell. I'm wondering if it's like you guys say and my attraction to women was superficial, I don't want to lose them. I guess I must though. I need to try things out with a man now and see how it feels. This fucking blows. Any advice on how to cope with losing all that you are?
     
  2. confusedlady

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    Have you ever been diagnosed with any anxiety issues? Will you be happy being with men minus the society, internal homophobia? You kind of sound like someone suffering from an anxiety issue, but don't quote me.
     
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    Im diagnosed with major depression and anxiety. I take medication but its killed my libido and hasn't really helped with my anxiety. It's zoloft, wellbutrin and abilify I've been on it steadily for around 1.5 weeks, off and on for around 3 months. As far as being happy with men, I don't know, I don't know anymore, the thought doesn't appeal to me, but that could be just my internalized homophobia as you say. I can't figure this out.
     
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    There is no doubt that it's scary as hell. I had a girlfriend when I came out and I felt like dying to avoid telling her. It was a dark place and a dark time... but I came through it by being here, really.

    It's hard to lose an identity you've worked so hard to build (one as a hetero man) and I spent my entire life up to this point building that identity. But ya know, I haven't felt any different after coming out. I still like football, working on my car, video games, all my other activities I did before and I still have the same relationship with all of my friends and family... it's just that I'm happy instead of depressed. Music sounds better too for some reason :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

    In terms of coming out, whenever you decide to come out to yourself or to come out publicly is exactly the right time to come out. Stay around here, read more stories, post, talk to people... it will help you discover whatever you feel you are.
     
  5. confusedlady

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    I have ocd, I obsess about shit all the time. I would obsess that I only liked women and I'd lose feelings for men which devestated me cause I loved those feelings, not for society but just me personally. Can you look up HOCD and see if you fit the criteria? When I obsess I kill my feelings for men. Are you seeing a therapist for anxiety? I'm not trying to push you in the closet, but after reading about ocd for so many years, this could a possibility. I think there's also a few posts about hocd on this site as well.
     
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    Thanks everyone, yes I've looked at hocd I clearly fit the criteria but everyone on here says it's bullshit and I tend to think people here are more knowledgeable about the subject than the people over there, could be wrong though. And DanA I actually am less afraid to lose some of my masculinity, (I don't think I will if I come out) and more afraid of losing my attraction to women. I never planned on getting married so I'm not really worried about that, but women have been such a driving force in my life, I feel like if I can't enjoy them, then what's the point anymore. Oh and confusedlady- I have not seen a therapist I can't afford one.
     
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    I believe in hocd personally, I've seen people go through hell trying to figure out their sexuality. Like they've emersed themselves in being gay but just couldn't do it. I've even spoken to people who are gay who are shit scared of turning straight. I've suffered with thoughts that I was a molester and killer. Try to talk to your doctor, depending on which country you're in, maybe there is free help.
     
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    I have also had serial killer, transgender and pedophilia obsessions. I dunno, I don't think I am those things. Gay however seems to be a much more realistic possibility. I'm gonna have to try it out again (already did once, didn't like it) with a more open mind, really try to enjoy it, then maybe I'll have my answers?
     
  9. confusedlady

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    Try experimenting??? If you really do have ocd that's the last thing you want to do, it will confuse you more. Unless you do actually want to be with a guy then go for it. If you've had other obsessions then I would highly reccomend you speak to your doctor. The gay thing could be stronger cause its attacking what means most to you...women
     
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    Well the last time I tried it didn't work out very well. I don't want to do it but I live in Los Angeles, no free therapy. It scares the hell outta me but I'll do it to get some answers, I didn't last time though, only temporary relief followed by more confusion. I just don't want to deal with this anymore, can therapy really help that much? If so I'll look into making that a priority.
     
  11. confusedlady

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    Therapy will help a lot, especially removing that fear or you can try on your own...its called erp/cbt therapy. Its better to do it with a therapist cause anxiety can get really high. Therapists are also able to see issues from the outside. Things are not always as they seem esp when you're stuck in a cycle.
     
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    Just to avoid anyone getting confused, HOCD *DOES NOT EXIST.* It is a figment of the imagination of people who are usually uber-conservative Christian types who are in denial about being gay and looking for a way to justify it. There's no credible research showing it exists, none of the counseling, psychology, psychiatry, or social work associations recognize, it, it is not listed in DSM.

    So please don't get confused by discussion of it because all it does is cloud the issue and confuse people.

    This isn't to say that people with OCD might have issues about their sexuality, but that's a completely different situation.

    For Prometheus, I don't think what you're describing has anything in particular to do with your anxiety; while the underlying anxiety might be contributing, what you're experiencing is very normal for anyone who is in the process of coming to terms with being non-straight, and especially so if it's something you've been dealing with for years.

    I remember when I first started to come to terms with being gay, in my late 20s, and it caused a lot of anxiety-related symptoms in the short term, not to mention anger, depression, and all of the other 5 stages of loss processes. In fact, you will probably find that once you work through and process everything that's going on for you, the drugs you're on will no longer be necessary.

    Confusedlady, Prometheus probably does not have OCD (I think we can assume this by virtue of the fact he is on medication and obviously seeing a psychiatrist to get the medication, who would have picked it up if it were, indeed, an issue) so please don't confuse the issue by projecting your issues onto his and telling him not to experiment because it might exacerbate an issue he doesn't have.

    Mental health issues, particularly as they relate to coming out, are very complicated and we do people a HUGE disservice by offering armchair diagnoses based on limited information we get from a posting on a website. Everything that Prometheus is experiencing can be explained by the process he's been through in wrestling with the coming out issues; while there may be some underlying issues in addition, it's not our place to be speculating as to what they may be.

    Prometheus, on the issue of therapy, I do strongly agree that it would be helpful for you. CBT can be effective at dealing with symptoms, such as acute anxiety, and giving you coping strategies, but given that you've been dealing with sexuality issues for some time, CBT is not going to be very helpful. You would do much better with an insight-based approach, which deals more with your past and upbringing, as these issues go to the core of why you're having such difficulty accepting yourself. In an overwhelming number of such situations, the issue relates to internalized homophobia and/or shame... the fear of "not belonging." And that's something a good therapist will be able to help you with in a relatively short time.

    While there isn't much in the way of free therapy in the LA, thanks to the very rigorous licensing laws in CA, there are a LOT of intern therapists looking for clinical hours, so you can usually find someone who will work with you very inexpensively sometimes as low as $10 an hour, and certainly for $25 or $40 if you look and ask around. And in spite of what you might think, some intern therapists can be outstanding. But you should ask a bunch of questions and talk to several on the phone before choosing one. PM me if you want some tips on that.
     
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    Thanks for the reply chip, I think I am going to experiment, make sure I keep an open mind while doing so. I'm not sure if I have OCD, my psychiatrist (which I get for a very low price under kaiser) has never mentioned it, I haven't really brought up much with her though, just that I'm anxious a lot and I was in a dark place thinking about suicide (nothing to do with homosexuality mind you). I've accepted I'm somewhat bisexual, but I am afraid that I'm losing my attraction to women. I mean don't get me wrong I've only had sex/got it up, with women. But it's difficult to come for me in the past few years and I lose interest in having sex all the time after about a year in a relationship. I just am afraid I'm losing women all together, I don't really wanna be friends with them, I want to be intimate, but lately it feels like the enjoyment I get out of that is dissipating. I don't care if I belong, I never have belonged being gay won't change that, Im a recovering alcoholic for chissakes. And like others have said being gay is great, just not for me. I dunno, I keep going back and forth between knowing im straight and knowing I'm gay. I've never had a "gay thought" that I actually enjoyed, maybe once or twice, but mainly they're just intrusive, I do repeat to myself over and over "I'm gay" sometimes just to ease the pressure. Sad thing is, if I am gay, absolutely nobody I care about would give a flying fuck, this is all on me.
     
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    One of the things that can really mess with all of this is the medications. Some of them can decrease arousal/desire, some delay or otherwise make ejaculation and orgasm all but impossible, and some severely decrease the intensity of orgasm. So that can confuse things.

    But as far as I know, it doesn't affect actual attraction.

    However, I'm a little confused: You on the one hand seem to only have experiences with women, and you don't really talk much about attraction to men, yet you seem to feel pretty strongly like the attraction is there.

    So where are your masturbation fantasies? Men or women? Porn... same thing, are you looking at the guys in straight porn or the girls? On the street... do your eyes go toward men or women? These all help get an idea of where your natural attraction/orientation lies. And from there you can get a better picture of how to proceed next.

    As for belonging... we are hardwired from birth to seek belonging, and it's reinforced all through our lives. We seek approval from parents, friends, teachers. And addicts are the people who usually feel most like they don't belong, which is where the addictions come in: they numb us so we don't feel the lack of connection. The "I don't care if I belong" is a common numbed response that is actually a protection against that desire for connection; sometimes that's in conscious awareness, but often we so convince ourselves that we believe it, it takes a long time to unwrap. But that is at the core of both addiction, as well as self-acceptance with regard to sexuality. Same with no one around you caring; that might be true, but YOU still care, at some level, about how people perceive you; that, too, is true of just about everyone except people who can't feel empathy at all.
     
  15. confusedlady

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    Ok, not saying that you have ocd, but from what you say it sounds like you are obsessing about something (attraction to men) that isn't even there. I could be wrong as only you know how you feel. If your meds are doing nothing for the anxiety you should let your doctor know. Its your choice if you want to keep experimenting to see what you want. If you do truly have an obsession issue, then it will get you no where. No harm in speaking with your doctor though.
     
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    Appreciate the insight, I have very intrusive sexual thoughts about guys, that I do not enjoy. Porn I'm not sure is the best indicator I watch straight and lebian porn focused on the chick, I have gotten off to gay porn but I don't watch it much. As far as belonging , I guess you're right, but I don't feel like being gay would make me not belong, like I said I already went through that sort of thing when I accepted I was an addict and got sober, practically no one I know is sober, I deal with "not belonging" everyday, I don't feel being gay would change that, and anyone who would care if I was, well fuck them. I've told a few close people about questioning it, even some of my gay friends. They always dismiss it, but it's a bigger issue to me like you said. Sometimes I feel like if I just accept that I'm gay all my other problems will disappear. I dont know why I care so much about it, but I do, my parents aren't homophobic (they know I've questioned it) my brother is, but I don't care about his opinion anyway. I mean I legit sucked a dick once a few years ago, didn't like it and told everyone about it, yet the question remains unanswered and it terrifies me. Also in terms of attraction, when I watch couples being intimate on screen or in real life I sometimes get an uncomfortable feeling, like I feel like I'm the chick, also sometimes when my male friends get too close and intimate with me (hugging, kissing my cheek etc) it's very uncomfortable for me, and makes me extremely fearful. It's like, what if everything I thought I knew was wrong, what if my best guy friends, I don't think of friends but as lovers and my lovers I actually think of as friends and I somehow built up this intricate maze of denial to trick me into mixing up the two. (I've never whacked off to the thought of my friends btw that would be extremely awkward) but I just don't know who I am.
     
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    I don't think expirementing is going to help you, and I think it could hurt. To mirror what others said a bit, why exactly do youthink you are gay? Because you are attracted to men is a logical awnser. Because you aren't attracted to women is not as much because it doesn't signify what you are attracted to. As far as HOCD, it is not itself a disease; however, OCD can manifest as any number of things, and persistent worry about being gay WITHOUT accompanying gay thoughts or desires could be a sign of obsession, especially if you believe there is something wrong with being gay. Just like some people need to wash their hands constantly for fear of germs, some people compulsively worry that they are gay without real cause.

    It's impossible, especially with limited info, for us to tell you tour sexuality, but spend some time here to get comfortable with the idea of being gay. That alone may releive some of this anxiety and let you see more clearly.
     
  18. confusedlady

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    So you dont like the thoughts of being with a man, nor being with one. You think you're in denial, but you love your feelings for women and consider feelings for men as intrusive. You also have no real desire to be with a man...getting rid of your anxiety is key here...please just ask your doctor. OCD ONLINE - I THINK IT MOVED again, I'm not trying to set you back, or confuse you or diagnose you, but it wouldn't hurt to ask your doctor about this...
     
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    The more you are speaking about this, it's sounding more like something tied to your anxiety and related mental health issues than a simple issue with sexuality. But as none of us here are mental health professionals, it's not our place to be telling you what you have (and I still don't think it's OCD, nor would I suggest that even if I did, because it's not my place to do so... hint hint...)

    What you do need is a good mental health diagnostic workup. While they can do it, this isn't generally something that the psychiatrist will actually do; they are generally in too much of a hurry to spend the time to do the appropriate mental health tests and evaluations that would be necessary to make a proper diagnosis.

    I would strongly suggest seeing a clinical psychologist with a specialty in diagnostic evaluation, rather than talking to your psychiatrist, in part because your psychiatrist has already given you a diagnosis and probably isn't going to be very excited about doing a full reevaluation. But if you see a psychologist and go through a diagnostic battery with him/her, and get a diagnosis, then the psychologist and psychiatrist can work together to find a plan that will best suit your needs. You might need medication, you might not... but what's clear is that you have a complex array of symptoms, and the current management of your situation, as you're getting it from your psychiatrist, is not doing you the benefit that you deserve.
     
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    Thanks for the reply chip, I wondered if this was normal behavior or not. You're correct that with my psychiatrist I speak to her very briefly about once every few months, probably not as in depth as I need. I'm going to take your advice on the intern psychologists as that's all I can really afford. Thank you