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Please, please help me! Is my bf gay but can't admit it? Looking @Trans escort sites

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  1. lemonlemon

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    Advance: This is quite lengthy. I'm worried because I am in too deep. I just can't be without him. I have tried to leave but he doesn't let it happen, and I like him so much, so I stay.

    We've been going out for 6 months. I'm 22 and he's 24. The relationship has always been a little bit up and down, but mainly good and loving and exciting. He shares so much love and affection with me, cuddles, saying i love you, says to not leave him no matter what, etc etc... but I think there is something wrong somewhere...

    I was on his computer the other day and he'd left his hotmail open. I was closing the tabs when I saw an email from something called 'transgays', saying "thankyou for your registration".
    I googled transgays on my phone to see an escorting site for trans and gay men.
    Honestly, I was so shocked. I couldn't believe it, didn't want to believe it, and just felt so dismayed I almost laughed. I have never had such a feeling in my entire life. I suddenly seriously questioned this person who I was with, at first I thought more about the fact he may have been cheating on me... it was only a few days later that I thought he actually could be gay.
    In regards to the escorting site... At first he stringently denied it. He said it was just spam/junk or whatever, (even though he'd opened this email and not those surrounding it). He continued this lie so desperately, that every time I said I didn't believe him he would ignore me, walk away or make some comment like oh my god and roll his eyes as though I was being ridiculous and dramatic.

    It was at this point that I was just going to leave it. He just kept saying that it was nothing to do with him etc etc so ardently and so strongly that I thought there was nothing else I could say. But I just didn't believe him, so I pushed it further.
    He finally admitted that he had registered, and logged in last week.
    He said in such a sincere, earnest tone that he created the account ages ago, and that he logged back on last week out of plain curiosity. He said he meant nothing by it, and that he doesn't know why he logged on, but that it was simply motivated by plain curiosity and nothing more. I asked him why he lied, and tried to make me feel bad for questioning him when he knew he was lying, and he said it was because he was embarressed because of the nature of the site, (that being transvesties and transexuals etc). I totally understand why he was embarrassed... but at the end of the day he has CHOSEN to be in a relationship with me, and he has continued to pursue me. He has optionally reassured me again and again that he loves me... he has made plans for us, he says he wants me... and we all know this especially wouldn't be acceptable if it was a female escorting site, but because it was transgays a whole another realm of confusion is opened up if he is meant to be a straight guy.

    These are the signs that he may be gay/confused sexually/hiding something from himself and/or me...:

    -He is often distant and doesn't open up much, as though he is hiding something somewhere or somehow
    -He makes comments on how gay men are 'gross' or 'disgusting'
    -When I questioned him on the trans escorting site he made comments like 'how sick', how vile' when seeing pictures of the trans men and women.
    -At the beginning of our relationship I found a bookmark on his computer for another trans escorting site. I now know he lied about this also as at the time he said it was just an advert and nothing to do with him
    -I now know/feel like he's lied about other things because he has acted like this before when I have confronted or questioned him on similar circumstances regarding his choice of porn videos and movies
    -He often makes derogatory comments about women, even though he says he is joking. --He frequently watches vile and disgusting videos about 'hot' women having done to them or doing to others very painful/disgusting sexual acts (so to speak). A tame example is women with anal prolapse for example.
    -He has not been in a relationship before
    -He doesn't really have any friends
    -He also seems particularly interested in threesome porn (with 2 men and 1 girl)
    -He is very, very, very concern with his looks, e.g hair, concealer make up
    -Is very self-concious in certain ways
    -He is closed off and quiet


    I'm so lost, PLEASE HELP ME. I'm a mix of sad and nauseous and just don't know what to do. Despite having these fears about him, I fall to pieces when I think of leaving him... we only have each other after 6 months officially together.

    Why would he feel the need to lie to me like that if it was really innocent? There's always been something that I can't put my finger on... I don't feel comfortable with him sometimes. I just feel like there's this whole person in there who I don't know, and I'm scared in case it is something I don't want to hear

    Does this example scream of a guy who can't accept his own sexuality? Is he using me to keep a 'straight' image? Am i being crazy? Am i wrong? Is it nothing? He has no friends, I can't leave him... How can I approach this with him? Is there nothing I can do? I don't know how I will cope if he is gay, because he's made me feel like he's it :frowning2:

    Thankyou for reading, honest replies appreciated, but please be kind
     
  2. Re: Please, please help me! Is my bf gay but can't admit it? Looking @Trans escort si

    i dont mean to be rude at all. im only trying to help, please take this in the nicest way possible (*hug*)


    he might not be gay, perhaps questioning his sexuality. have you asked him that? i mean i know things might be tough for you right now but i think he might need you there as a friend more than a lover right now. someone he can talk to about it.

    i know a lot of straight men have a trans fetish.... (sorry trans people, i dont mean that in a nasty way at all), is could also be that. he might have a fetish for trans people and things of that sort. that might be why he might be a bit embarrassed.

    the porn he watches doesnt really have anything to do with sexuality. different people watch different things, some lesbians watch straight porn it doesnt mean they want men e.t.c.

    some men are naturally quite feminine straight men, who just want to look good. nowt wrong with it.

    if he is lying to you, you might want to think how many times has he lied? i know i wouldnt want to be with someone who lies as i couldnt trust them and trust is a big part of a relationship. maybe you could suggest getting relationship councelling to help?

    you say you cant leave him because he has no friends. thats trapping you/blackmail. that is not healthy at all, people do that to manipulate others so they have 'power' over them and it makes it hard to get out, ive been there its not nice. if he has no friends, that shouldnt at all stop you from leaving him if it is what you want to do. you just say youre leaving, walk out and never look back, and cut all contact. easier said than done though i know.


    i hope i wasnt too harsh/didnt offend you.
     
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    Well it definitely sounds like he really likes you. He could be bisexual. And if he is, then him saying that he was just curious wasn't a lie. A lot of those things that you listed off as being signs that he's gay don't necessarily mean he actually is gay. For example, being closed off, quiet, and not having any friends don't mean he's gay. But there are a couple of other things that you mentioned that would have me wondering, as well. Honestly, he could just have weird fetishes.

    This is obviously a touchy subject with him. I would just say not to talk about it too much, but keep an eye out for any more "signs." When you feel like he's in a good enough mood to about it, maybe ask him if he's ever thought he's bisexual.
     
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    It's hard to conclude anything basing on one person's perspective, because it could be biased by their suspicion. But I'll try my best to answer your questions.
    From what you said, it seems very likely that he's gay and in denial. The good thing is, he could be bi, meaning you two can still be together. It's very hard for him to accept his identity, so don't blame him too much for lying to you now. :slight_smile:
    You are deeply in love with him and can't break it off, but the relationship at this point can't be the same anymore. You two have to work it out, because the distrust is too obvious to ignore. If he can't come to terms with his sexuality, I doubt that you can force anything out of him. Have a nice talk with him, be gentle though, don't be harsh and try to work it out WITH him. Assure him that whatever the case is, you will understand and will be there for him (you will, right?).

    There are 2 possible outcomes: he's straight and everything was a misunderstanding (very unlikely) or he is not straight. I guess the former is easy for you to deal with right? But he may be hurt because you doubted him. Just say that you value truth between you two, or something along that line. And if he's gay, or straight, it's not a lost cause. If you really, truly love him, please be there for him. It's hard enough for him, don't make it harder by leaving him. Don't hate him (I take it that you have basic understanding of LGBT right?). If he's bi, help him through the hardship, support him the whole way, after all he's still your old boyfriend. If he's gay, you can still be friend with him. I know you're hurt, but it's also hurting him. He was confused, and thought that you might set him right. And don't try to "straighten" him. You said earlier that you cannot live without him, so don't leave him out of your life. He may avoid you but if you are there for him, eventually he'll understand and accept himself and you.

    I know I'm asking you too much and you're the one that is hurt, but this is a very delicate and sensitive matter. I'm not sure that you can still save your relationship, but if it's really the case, don't abandon him, OK?
     
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    Of course I will be there for him if he is gay/bi... it just seems like if he is, it's himself he's not admitting it too yknow. When he says gay guys are 'gross'... who's he trying to tell yknow?

    I honestly wish this wasn't happening. I know I sound selfish. This is the first guy in 3 and a half years that has seemingly wanted more with me than just sex or a laugh... the first guy in ages to say he truely loves me... and if it turns out it is all a lie, intentional or not, then I don't know how I can cope. This will be the final straw for me... I'm the butt of the joke... 'that girl'.

    I will give him time, I will watch out for any more signs, and I will talk to him when the right moment arrives. I want him to be happy, and himself, and frankly as he is now he doesn't seem comfortable in his own skin. I will hate him for using/lying/pretending with me... but I will be there for him. I will have to take time from him for a while if he is gay, incase I say something I regret simlpy out of anger, but I know in the end I DO just want the best for him, and I need to make sure he is OK... and not alone. If he chooses to never talk to me again, which I could imagine because it will be easier for him the facing his 'mistake' (me) so to speak, then I will accept that also. So yea I'm not a dick, I'm just confused, and lost, and feel very lonely with this whole subject.

    I just hope he isn't, in a selfish way :frowning2: I want to be imagining it :frowning2:

    Any more help/advice/opinions seriously, seriously appreciated
     
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    Re: Please, please help me! Is my bf gay but can't admit it? Looking @Trans escort si

    As a man who was in a relationship with a women during my coming out I can say it's... difficult. That's an understatement... especially if you deeply love the person you're with. It kills you inside. I'm still recovering and I came out to my ex-girlfriend over a month ago.

    Let me ask you something that may be personal and you don't have to answer but towards the end when I made up my mind that I was in fact gay and had always been gay, I was unable to climax during sex with her. Has he had trouble with climaxing?

    Now, this is not an indicator in of itself. There are many reason a man might not be able to perform but it is a piece of the puzzle.
     
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    Omg omg omg omg :frowning2: :frowning2: :frowning2: YES!!!

    But here are some more details. He in on medications for anxiety. He told me that this mediation effects his ability to cum... So it may be this? I'd say more often than not he does cum... and when he does he says it's because he didn't take his medication... However I have always been aware of how he doesn't always climax but I just accepted it as his medication... He finds it very easy to get turned on and it was more at the beginning of the relationship that I noticed he hardly could climax, but as the relationship has gone on he says he takes his medication less so he can climax more and relax more...

    Basically, even now, sometimes he can, sometimes he can't... :/

    but I guess there is no way of knowing truly why :frowning2:
     
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    Slow down for a minute here. You found a site pitching porn of transwomen, not gay men. I'm more inclined to think the could just be bisexual with a thing for transsexuals. Honestly, I've never been quite sure what to make of these kinds of guys, other than that they almost certainly tend toward the "straighter" end of the spectrum and you probably don't have much to worry about. Frankly, if you found him on a site dealing in hot pictures of, well, regular old men then I'd be more inclined to think you might run into a problem down the road. Your boyfriend on the other hand probably doesn't want the baggage of identifying in any way as "gay", which is typical.
     
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    Ok, so we have more of the story... it might be the medication. Like I said, it's not an indicator, just a puzzle piece. There could be many reasons, including just the anxiety of sex itself. I know guys like to present themselves as a manly man who would bang anything in a heartbeat but a lot of guys are a little scared of sex and it can affect performance.

    But, this is not meant to alarm you and we don't exactly know what's going on without his persepctive, but I displayed some similar signs that you mentioned in the original post:

    I know this is tough for you, but trust me, it's even tougher for him if he is gay or bi. It's really tough. Make him comfortable, make open minded comments around him. Next time he gay-bashes, say something like, "but being gay is pretty normal, I mean, it's just the way some people are born." Things like that. DO NOT ACCUSE HIM OPENLY. That does not help at all.
     
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    Well no... gay and trans prostitutes... that to me holds more meaning than porn.

    ---------- Post added 1st Jul 2012 at 08:32 PM ----------

    I know it may be very hard for him but he should not be using me to come out or deal with or hide from his sexuality :frowning2: I will take your advice, I will not accuse him openly.

    This is SO hard! I wish someone could just help me! I am so fucking confused and angry and sad even more confused... I'm finding it hard to even admit to myself that he may actually be gay, and that he doesn't really want me :frowning2:
     
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    Hey LemonLemon,

    Though I am no expert in coming out to people, less alone being in the spot of your boyfriend, but when I was coming to terms with my sexuality, the biggest thing for me was what would happen if my core group of friends knew? It literally killed me, I was scared more for the fact that they were who I hung out with everyday, they were my life outside of work and school. I feared that if I tell them, then my life would be over basically. What would I do? How would I be able to go to? Could I live my life knowing that there would be no one there? All those questions made me want to deny the fact that, hey Your Gay! Finally it took a lot and I did it, I came out, and nothing has changed. And now that I have their support, I have come to accept who I am and coming out to other have somewhat been easier.

    Now that I have said all this, it sounds like maybe he's in the spot I was in. If he might be gay or bi, and since he may not have friends and is a closed off type person, he see's you has that support structure. And he may fear that if you know about his sexuality (wither figured out or no) you will leave him and he'll have no where to go or lean on. Also, I can understand your end (obviously, only to a certain degree) and how you may feel. You will have to decide on what you want to do, but if you stay with him and want to love him, like everyone has said, he can still love you and be your boyfriend if he's bi.

    Hope everything works out for you! (*hug*)

    TB
     
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    But would a guy really make someone their girlfriend, and pursue them, and have sex with them, if they know that really this person is just a support structure for when they may confess,figure out or admit their true sexuality. Surely he could have just 'used' me as a friend, rather than a girlfriend?

    The trust has completely gone because I am going to keep imagining him looking up other people to have sex with or whatever, or hiding this massive, massive part of him from me.

    I know can't carry on a relationship like that, but when we try to break up, it's like, we just can't! :confused:
     
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    Hey lemonlemon, I've been in a similar situation as your boyfriend. I am, however, gay for sure. I had this woman who I loved a lot and we were engaged but It ended badly for obvious reasons, but at the time I thought I loved her, which I DID love her, but not romantically as I thought at the time. I definitely don't think he has used you or anything like that. If he is gay, it sounds like he is coming to terms now and if he would have came to terms before he met you then he WOULDN'T have pursued you as a love interest. Hope I helped some..
     
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    Any person would do that or something to that degree if its a matter of being alone. Perhaps there is a possibility that when you two first started dating that he was indeed straight. And then something happened to where he found out that he was curious or attracted to guys? Remember there still is a possibility where he could be bi, or just even experimenting to find out if this curiosity is real. There are several different possibilities that could come about this. No one truly knows their true sexuality unless they find out for themselves first hand. Don't beat yourself up thinking that your just a "test" subject for him. Yes, it sounds crap (and no matter how long I stared at that sentence to make it not sound like crap, I just couldn't come up with anything else) you can't think it that way.

    I also want to say that its not easy telling to tell people about their sexuality. No matter who it is and how much you love them. Girlfriend, Fiance, Mother, Father and Husband/Wives as I've seen here on EC. I'll say that I am the only child and I am the biggest mammas boy and even still at 26 I love her to death, I'd go to hell and back for her, but I still can't get the courage to tell her that I'm gay. So as much as you both are in love, its not going to make him identify his real sexual orientation to you any easier. Like I mentioned before, if you are really the only person in his life, he may have that feeling where he does not want to lose you and be alone.

    The trust issue is between you and him, so I can't really offer much advice on that. Step one from me would be to give him a little time to accept that "Hey, I got caught and she knows". There's nothing worst than getting caught and then admitting what you got caught with or doing when the spotlight is on you. Then after, offer your support that no matter what you'll be there (if that is going to be your intention). Once he's comfortable with himself, I'm almost certain he will be able to talk more and you can then find out the truth. When? Well that's something that you just have to know when its right. I wouldn't decide to throw it out in the middle of an argument or when your in public with people around and such.

    Best of luck! (*hug*)


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    These are the signs that he may be gay/confused sexually/hiding something from himself and/or me...:

    -He is often distant and doesn't open up much, as though he is hiding something somewhere or somehow

    No response for this one

    -He makes comments on how gay men are 'gross' or 'disgusting'
    -When I questioned him on the trans escorting site he made comments like 'how sick', how vile' when seeing pictures of the trans men and women.

    From the other stuff, this does point towards being gay or trans

    -At the beginning of our relationship I found a bookmark on his computer for another trans escorting site. I now know he lied about this also as at the time he said it was just an advert and nothing to do with him

    This makes me think hes trans, but doesnt want you to break up with him

    -I now know/feel like he's lied about other things because he has acted like this before when I have confronted or questioned him on similar circumstances regarding his choice of porn videos and movies
    -He often makes derogatory comments about women, even though he says he is joking. --He frequently watches vile and disgusting videos about 'hot' women having done to them or doing to others very painful/disgusting sexual acts (so to speak). A tame example is women with anal prolapse for example.

    Too weirded out for comment

    -He has not been in a relationship before

    That points to either being gay or shy

    -He doesn't really have any friends

    Thats just offensive

    -He also seems particularly interested in threesome porn (with 2 men and 1 girl)

    No idea

    -He is very, very, very concern with his looks, e.g hair, concealer make up

    Straight, trans, or gay

    -Is very self-concious in certain ways
    -He is closed off and quiet

    I dont think this means anything inportant



    Overall, Id say hes (shes) trans
     
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    im trans. i would be devastated if just questioning stage a gf/bf found out! And even more nightmarish, they confronted and pushed me on it to confess.

    it is personal journey, and nobody can live it but me.

    if it does affect you, it is far less than it is affecting him. if you LOVE him, not feel fear and control over his actions, then allow him the privacy to work it out in his time his way and not ask him what he's doing...and knowing what yu do now, if you can't handle the possibility of the bf you love being a woman, then break up. if you want to research it yourself, dysphoria, please do...because if he is like me, it will make him happier if you leave him alone to work it out, but become knowledgeable enough when he does come out you know what he's talking about.
     
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    When you say he's trans you mean he has desires to be a woman?

    And in regards to my comments about the fact he has no friends, I didn't mean it in the sense that because he might be gay he has no friends. I meant because he's not comfortable in himself, which could suggest lack of confidence to form various relationships, may suggest he is dealing with something 'big', like his sexuality?

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    If this is the case though, no matter what I'm going to hate him and loathe him for the simple fact that I will always believe that he has lied to me and used me, even if he hasn't... and if we stayed together I will just never trust him/be waiting for the day it finally happens and my 'fears' are confirmed. It's gonna totally FUCK with my ability to ever trust a human being in that way again. It sounds so dramatic but man I just wish this wasn't happening! I don't know what to do. I'm seeing him tomorrow... how can I act the same around him? I'll be scared to even kiss him. Yet if I 'talk' to him and say I need my time or something I know full well that he just will not let it happen and I will have to stay and it will be a big circle again. It's difficult, I know it must be for him... but I wish he would just say SOMETHING! He's so closed off with his personal emotions, I just wish he'd give me SOMETHING! Yet he claims so, so hard that it meant nothing, that it was just interesting, but I will never believe him. It's lose lose:eusa_doh:
     
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    I have trouble climaxing the exact same way, and people here tell me I'm not gay so I wouldn't use that as an indicator. It could be a mix of medication and being self conscious during sex.
     
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    Plus obviously I don't want to leave him on his own because that just seems cruel. Should I say something to him, along the lines of, 'I will still be your friend if you have something you'd like to get off your chest', or, 'that I'll still be there for him if you need to do some 'soul-searching' (so to speak)...? I mean, what should I say to him? I need to do something, there is no way I can carry on as 'normal' :/
     
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    I really don't know what to say here. Whatever it is, you're both in a big mess.

    Frankly, whether or not he's gay bothers me far less than some other stuff you mentioned... It all adds up to someone who's... Very used to and very good at putting up false fronts. It might be that there's something fairly innocuous behind all this denial and lies and histrionics, like him being gay, or just very insecure... But I'd be very, very careful.