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Discussion in 'Coming Out Advice' started by Given To Fly, Jul 22, 2012.

  1. Given To Fly

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    Hi,

    I don't really know what I hope to acheive by posting this. I think maybe I just need to tell someone. I'm so far in the closet even Ikea don't have one big enough. I'm barely even out to myself. I'm just sort of typing what comes into my head right now so apologies in advance for the inevitable rambling.

    where to start... I'm 31, and I'm pretty much a loner. Don't get me wring, I'm not a complete hermit - I have a few close friends, and a decent job. But I was bullied pretty badly at school, and a crappy home life too, and as a result I find it really hard to open up to people. Or rather I find it hard to trust them. To make matters worse, I'm overweight (not huge I hasten to add), and I have psoriasis. So I'm not exactly full of self confidence. Where am I going with this...

    The last couple of months, I've gradually realised that I'm gay. I suppose I've always known - maybe I've just suppressed it. The more I think about it, the more I remember little things when I was a kid. Like playing 'kisschase' in junior school - I'd be chasing the boys as much as - if not more than girls. The few girls I made friends with were tomboy types. That sort of thing.

    My parents split up when I was 15. It wasn't exactly pretty. They'd never really shown me much love anyway, but after they split it was as though I was more than an inconvenience. Coupled with the bullying I was going through at school by this point, I pretty much withdrew into my own world, which is pretty much where I stay.

    I've only ever had one serious relationship. Hell, I've only ever even kissed one girl. I met her when I was 19. We were both misfits I suppose, and we sort of got pushed together. We had plenty of stuff in common - music etc, and she'd gone through her fair share of bullying too so we kind of clicked, and it developed into a sexual relationship. The daft thing is, and I don't think I realised until later, sex with her never felt quite right. I won't say it wasn't fun, just that something seemed to be missing. After three years or so it kind of fizzled out, and we broke up. I've not been with anyone since.

    I'm pretty shy, so I'm not good at meeting people. Maybe I'm destined to always be single. I hope not.

    For the last couple of years, I've noticed that, while I can appreciate looking at a good looking woman in the street, I realised they weren't really doing anything for me. If that makes sense. Considering what forum this is I suppose it does make sense. I gradually realised that I was checking out guys as well. And to make it worse, I was enjoying looking at them than the girls.

    Eight months ago I attempted suicide. I had enough pills to kill me and half the city. I managed to take four, before I spewed up. As far as I was concerned, I was a complete f***up, I couldn't even manage that. So I threw myself into work - I was doing 70 hour weeks every week for about five months. It took my mind off everything. The daft thing is, I work at a railway station - I could have ended it all pretty damn quickly if I really wanted to. i guess subconsciously maybe I didn't want to die.

    The upside of all that overtime is I managed to get myself out of debt for the most part. I started to almost enjoy my life, for pretty much the first time since leaving junior school 20-odd years ago. I travelled a lot - I've always enjoyed travelling, and The spare cash I now had meant I could do it a bit more.

    The trouble with travelling, especially alone, is it leaves you with a lot of time with nothing much to do exceot for look at the scenery, and think. Whatever anyone says, thinking isn't always good for you. About a month ago I was travelling alone in Switzerland. A good friend of mine was flying out to join me the following day as he had to work. I should add now that he is straight, and I'm not interested n him in the slighteset - thats not where my story is going. Where was I... That's it, alone on a Swiss train. Somewhere between Zurich and Geneva, if it matters. And I wound up thinking. Bad move. I thought about my arents, neither of whom I've spoken to in over ten years. I thought about the bulying I'd gone through. I thought about the depression I'd been quietly suffering since I was 11 or 12. I thought about the suicide attempt. I thought about the implications of what it means to prefer looking at guys to girls.

    I pretty much lost it. I was a quivering wreck, bawling my eyes out if I'm honest. It's lucky in a way that I was sitting in a quiet part if the train because I think I'd have been worse if someone had seen me like that.

    My friend joined me the next day, as planned, and it must have been pretty obvious because he asked me straight away what was up. It took me two days to work up the courage to confide in him. I told him about my parents. I told him about the bullying. I told him about the pills last year. I told him how he was the first person I'd ever told most of this to. I've been depressed to some degree for most of my life, and I've never really let anyone get too close, as I'm scared of getting hurt. Scared of getting pushed away. So I'd push them first. We had a good long chat, and I felt better for it. But I couldn't tell him I'm gay.

    I've only really come to terms with it in the last two weeks. I think it really hit me when I discovered a site with gay romance stories on it. I don't mean thinly veiled porn - I mean stories of love and coming out and that stuff. At first I didn't know what to think. Then I quickly realized I could relate to the feelings and issues being discussed in these stories. And I won't deny it, but the sex bits were turning me on. :icon_redf

    So now I suppose I'm confused. If I was scared and nervous before when I thought I wanted to meet a nice girl (but didn't have the balls to approach anyone), then that is multiplied a thousand times when I think about meeting a guy. I've pretty much admitted to myself that I'm gay. I don't think I'm confused about that as such. Hell, i really don't know what I'm trying to say here.

    So that's pretty much my story. Sorry again for the rambling. I guess I just really needed to tell someone. Even if that someone is a computer keyboard. You know what I mean.

    I should add at this point that I'm no longer thinking about taking my own life. I've faced up to my past, which I think was a great help. Now I just need to face up to my sexuality.

    Thanks for listening.
     
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    Here are three words of wisodm I picked up from somewhere:

    "It gets better." :wink:
     
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    First of all, big hugs!

    I am happy you are not considering suicide anymore. Suicide is never the answer, never has been, never will.

    I realize you have gone through a lot of stuff (bullying, family problems, lack of self-confidence, etc) and let me tell you this: everyone here has gone through any of those, or all of them. I have personally been going through all of them, and what helped me to stand up and change everything around is realizing that I was paying too close attention to the bad things instead of the good things.

    You might feel you have really little good things to think about, but you have many great things about you. For what you've said:
    1. You are a hard worker. Even if you were working lots to get away from the rest, the fact that you were dedicated so strongly to your work, to me, says that you can become passionate about things that makes you happy, and pulling those 70-hr weeks made you feel useful.
    2. You are debt free. Or in your way to become debt free. This might be such an stupid thing to mention but let me tell you: I've worked as a debt consultant for over a year and when people are in debt, they are usually depressed. Feel completely proud of yourself that you have been able to get yourself out of that hole.
    3. You are a caring person. You care about your well being, that is why you have reached out to us. Caring is good, it opens the door to love.

    Love towards yourself and then, only then, towards someone else.

    Let's now focus on all the good things about you, the ones I've mentioned and the ones you only know. Those things are the things you should be thinking about, because you are a beautiful person and you deserve so much more from life. Do not expect to find validation from someone else, because other people do not know you for real. Find your own validation within yourself, because you are an amazing person.

    I know I might be sounding like a broken record but I mean it. Lots of hugs!

    JP.
     
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    I just want to echo everything Jay said, I agree with it completely. I personally have gone through pretty much everything you've went through, from the bullying in school, to the suicide attempt, etc. The good news is that you're probably on the upswing when it comes to your depression.

    Reaching out is the best thing you can do when you're depressed. I also suggest, if you don't already have one, getting a good therapist that specializes in cognitive behavior therapy. You most likely have some degree of anxiety as well, which will contribute to your depression.

    You should set a goal for yourself, examine where you are right now and think about where you want to be and what you need to do to get there.

    Two books have helped me a great deal. I learned about them both on this forum, I suggest you check them out as well.

    The first is the Gifts of Imperfection, by Brené Brown. Read that one first. The second book is 10 Smart Things Gay Men Can Do to Find Real Love by Joe Kort.

    Both of them are licensed social workers with extensive experience. I suggest starting with the Gifts of Imperfection. To get an idea of what you're going to find in there you can view her TED Talks.

    TED Talk 1: The Power of Vulnerability

    TED Talk 2: Listening to Shame

    I know both the works of Brené Brown and Joe Kort have helped other people here on the forums. They've helped me immensely. For me, it opened my eyes to many problems I was experiencing, and it's put me on a journey to deal with those problems. They've probably put me on a path that is going to change my life for the better. Hopefully they can do the same for you.

    Stick around these forums and share your experiences and thoughts with others. I know thinking about things can be scary, but in all honesty it is necessary. Things aren't as bad as you think.
     
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    Thanks so much fir the the replys so far - so much to think about already. I'm posting this from my phone so I can't say too much. I already feel like a huge weight has gone from my shoulders just having told you guys how I feel, even though you are strangers.

    I'll reply properly when I get home from work tonight, when I can use a proper keyboard.

    Thanks again,
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    You're not confused at all. You accepted that you are gay. And that's a huge step. The next step is to get it off your chest. Soon you will find that you need to come out to somebody, and I assure you, it will feel much better to have someone to share your secret. It's good that your friend was willing to listen to you. Perhaps he is the right person to come out to.

    You say you are mildly overweight, so can you exercise to lose a bit more? It's beneficial to your health, not to mention it will boost your self-esteem greatly. But it's also fine if you're OK with it. :grin:

    You have accomplished all the hard parts, having paid all debts, having a stable job... Now you just need to get out there and find your own happiness. There is always someone for you. You're just 31, and you love travelling. There are still lots of stuffs to do and lots of people to meet. Enjoy your life! Good luck finding your other half!
     
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    I'm not too much older then you and I can relate man...I never wanted to accept that I was Gay/Bi when I was younger and tried to get the thoughts out of my head, I drank really heavy! and quit going to the gym which was my passion and became really depressed! I'm the muscular/masculine type and all or most of the gay guys I have encountered have been femme like, so I was always thinking....how could I be GAY! It wasn't until I found out there were others like me and I was not alone...this last 2 years have been a huge step for me I got my life back on track and came out to my close friends and my mom, although they were a bit confused...they have accepted me and assured me its no problem and they love me for me! It does get better.
     
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    RG93: you are right - those are wise words. I hope they ring true for me.

    Jay: I actually cried a little when I read your post. I seem to be doing that a lot lately.I'm genuinely touched that someone can be so kind. Deep down I know everything you say is true. My friend said pretty much the same things to me when I had my 'breakdown' last month. I'm not quie debt free, but I'm a million miles from the hole I'd dug for myself. The crazy thing is I was never depressed because I was in debt - I was in debt because I was depressed. All that overtime helped in two ways - it took care of my money problems, and it took my mind off the shit I was going through. I simply didn'thave time to think about suicide. Last December I was in pretty much the darkest mood I've ever experienced. No way do I want to go there again.

    Aldrick: I'm going to check out those books. I've spent too much of my life feeling repressed by my past - it bugs me that not only did the bastards who bullied me rob me of my teenage years, I gave them my 20s as well. Speaking to my friend about the past was the first step in coming to terms with it, and it helped a lot. I feel like I've taken a step backwards since I admitted to myself that I'm gay - that really only happened this week, although it's been on my mind for months.

    Night Rain: You're right of course. Confused is the wrong word to used. I'm scared... Apprehensive... I keep trying to say something, but it's never the right moment. I'm fairly sure that my friend will be okay with it - I know he has a couple of gay friends. But I can't help but worry that it will change our friendship. He's pretty much the only person I trust enough to talk to about the shit in my life, and if I lose that I worry that'll end up feeling like I'm all aloneagain. I don't want to go back there.
    About my weight, I'm about 30-40 pounds overweight (I'm 6' 3") but most of it is comfort food. I'm trying to cut the crap out, and it's helping, and I walk 8-10 miles a day so at least that's not a lost cause.


    AsI said earlier, having told you guys, even though you don't know me, I already feel much better. I've put up with so much shit in my life, I really could do without being gay on top of it all. But I guess I am what I am. I'm sort of accepting it, and hoping that maybe I'll meet Mr Right. Because the alternatives of - a) suicide, b) a meaningless heterosexual relationship or c) staying single for the rest of my life and dying lonely and bitter - appeal to me even less.

    I guess I'm rambling a but again. i've got a habit of doing that.
    Thanks again for all the support. I just need to figure out how to approach the subject with my best friend, preferably before I lose the nerve.

    ---------- Post added 22nd Jul 2012 at 10:44 PM ----------

    I'm glad it worked out for you, SteelCityGuy. Every positive story I read makes me feel a little better about my situation. It's the negative ones which are screwing with me. On the bright side I don't have to worry about my families reaction, since we already have 'irreconcilable differences'. But I am really terrified of losing my friends. I wish I could ignore this, but if I don't deal, it's only going to fester I guess.
     
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    1st off, I'm really impressed by your character and your resolve to keep on going. It's good to see that you're making your way back up from the base! In the future, your foothold may slip again, so remember to keep on working toward that top (no pun intended...) and that sometimes it will require a fight! We're all very happy that you're here and ready to take on a new challenge. Hope we can help!

    Now, let's talk about this coming-out-phobia. If you've really only had one serious straight relationship, and it was a while ago, this likely won't come as a huge surprise to your friends in the first place. That applies even if they are homophobes, :icon_wink. While homophobic friends would be a little more stubborn, they're still your friends. And good friends will stand by your side even when new challenges come up. I'm not going to treat you like a teenager and try to convince you that friends are not worth having if they can't accept you. I'm telling you that you can be adults and work out your differences.

    You're WAY over the hump, from the sounds of it, and while it's not time to sit back and throw a party, you can definitely afford to enjoy it a little more now! (!)
     
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    Hi, Swim2Fly.

    I've seen what it's like down in the depths - no way do I want to go there again. I've spent most of my life since I was about 11 depressed to some degree. So the best part of 20 years. I don't think I'm anywhere near being happy, in the truest sense of the word, but I'm starting to accept who I am. Everything I've read seems to agree that I can't change myself. I can't will myself to be straight. God knows I've tried for long enough...

    What you say about my friends kind of rings true - I've never been one forjoining in the typical perving, and it has been noticed, if not picked on. Maybe it will be easier than I think. I guess I've done the hard part - it took me years to accept myself as being gay - hopefully my friends will come round sooner. If not they probably weren't really worthy of being friends to begin with.

    I said earlier (I think - I was probably rambling on at the time) that I feel a weight off my shoulders. It's one thing telling myself in my head that I accept being gay - it's another to actually write it down. It kind of makes it... I was going to say real, but thats the wrong word. I suppose it reinforces it. I'm ramblng on again... What I'm saying in a roundabout way is I wish I'd discovered this forum years ago - it would probably have saved me a lot of hassle. I can't get over the ammount of support available, and it really does make me feel better, and optimistic. I'm still scared, terrified if I'm honest, but at least I can see things getting better. Hopefully.
     
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    Childhood bullying and being estranged from one's family are both VERY common among gay people. I think you will find that as you connect with the community, you'll find a lot of people who will relate to you on those subject. Even the history of being suicidal is sadly common.

    I don't think you should have any doubt that you will find a boyfriend, but maybe what you aren't expecting is that you are likely to meet some of the best and most loyal friends you've ever had. Because we are so frequently estranged from our families, gay people tend to form very close friendship groups that fill that role. In terms of having a community of friendship and support, being gay might turn out to be the best thing that's ever happened to you.

    Maybe you could start thinking about and researching ways that you can connect to the community in your area.
     
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    Hi Ianthe,

    I'm a looong way from seeing my being gay as being a good thing, but I understand where you are coming from. I already know a couple of gay guys at work, one of whom I see quite frequently. I've been trying to work up the courage to speak to him about it for a week or two - at least I can be sure of at least one reaction that isn't negative. At the moment I'm about 60/40 in favour of having 'the chat' with him when I see him this afternoon. If it goes well then I'm going to arrange to meet up with my best friend and tell him too.
     
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    YES! Talk to the gay guy. And tell him he is the first person you are coming out to. Ask him about the local community, and tell him you are looking to make gay friends.

    Always come out to the gay people.
     
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    I know it's the right thing to do. It's just a case of finding the right moment. Of course the right moment never comes does it. The daft thing is I kind of get the feeling that he already knows.

    Today. I'm gonna do it.
     
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    He might already suspect; those of us who are out are sometimes very good at spotting closeted gay people. I mean, we've all been there, all our gay friends have been there, and we've just seen it a bunch of times. But you could also just feel like he must know, without it really being true, too.

    But do tell him. Do whatever you have to to tell him, even if you have to get his phone number and send it to him in a text message or whatever. Get it out. The first time is the hardest, except maybe for when you tell your parents. But that's hard in a slightly different way, I think.
     
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    Argh. I couldn't do it. I've just spent 40 minutes chatting to my gay friend (lets call him D). I must have been in 'space cadet' mode a little bit because he even asked me what's up. I pretty much wimped out and glossed over it as 'stuff on my mind'. I even wimped out of another opportunity to say something as the conversation moved on. By the time I was starting toget up some nerve he had to go.

    I feel like I'm living a lie - if I can't tell D, who is pretty open about his sexuality, how can Ifind the nerve to tell my straight best friend, C...

    I still feel that I've come so far since I started to accept who I am, but it's like climbing a cliff, with both hands tied behind my back.
     
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    Your story upset me, as there are so many elements in it that could have been me except I was 10 when my parents split, I was bullied at school, raped by my mother's younger brother when I was 14 and living under a constant cloud of self-doubt and loathing until I was 40.

    You've achieved amazing things and you should be really proud of yourself. Don't give up on coming out to your gay friend - you know that he knows how difficult it is to do and you know he will not reject you as a friend

    If your gay friend takes you under his wing, don't be surprised if you find yourself in uncomfortable situations - it will all be new for you AND your friend's preferences might not be what you are looking for - one of my gay friends once offered to take me on a tour of all the leather bars and dungeons in London - but that wasn't for me, even though I like the smell of leather! :icon_wink

    And take it slowly - there is no rush to find a label for yourself. Keep your positive self-image as your ideal and goal and the other things will fall in place - HONESTLY! (*hug*):kiss:
     
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    Thanks, I think thats what I really needed to hear.

    My friend C keeps trying to tell me that I have acheived things in my life - my problem is thatI dwell on the bad things like never having completed A levels, and not having any family. Sometimes I feel like my only acheivement is surviving to see my 31st birthday. Deep down I know that's not true, but it's hard, you know. I could really do without having to deal with being gay on top of everything else though - I've never wanted to be exceptional, if you know what I mean. I'd settle for being Mr Average. To be normal.

    I'm not really sure what I want from telling D - I think it's a case of having someone to talk to, face to face, that knows what it's like. I'm still kind of annoyed with myself that I wimped out this afternoon - we even spoke a little about our childhoods, and past relationships - so there were certainly oportunities to come oue, but I just couldn't get the words out.

    Whatever happens though, I think I'll be giving those leather bars a miss :eek::badgrin:
     
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    There's nothing wrong with being Mr Average and it's a fine thing to aspire to.

    There's nothing stopping you doing qualifications now, if that still interests you.

    I consider myself a life-long learner and I'm part-way through a Masters degree - just for interest. I've also qualified as a Patissier and a Chef de Cuisine - just for fun. There's a lot of stuff available for "mature students" like yourself.

    The reason you want to address the issue of your best straight friend is that he matters to you, not romantically, but he is an important part of your life. He obviously cares about you too and you want to know that he accepts you, just as you are.

    I think there are thousands of us on here that understand that need perfectly well. We can't choose our family, but we do choose our friends, so it is completely natural that you want him to be there for you, just as he already has been.

    Reading between the lines, I thin you know that, and you will make the step soon. I predict it will give you both peace of mind and I would be surprised if it affected his regard for you in the slightest.

    Courage, mon vieux!:thumbsup:

    My gay leather friend is also a teacher - he loves taking "things" out of his briefcase during class:

    "Oh, what's that doing in there?"
    "What is it, Mr P...h?"
    "Oh, it's just the ball separator I was looking for yesterday!"

    He did it on purpose to see the shocked look on their faces, or the completely vacant look if it went over their heads! Love him.....:roflmao:
     
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    You are right, I do know that everything you have said makes sense. I am actually in the process of applying to do a History degree with Open University. It's something I'm good at, and at the very least it'll keep me busy.

    Logically, I know I'm the same person I was before. If anything, I'm a better, happier person, now that I've take that step of accepting who I am. It's like a lightbulb flickering on after so many years hiding in the dark (where on earth am I getting these analogies from?!). In the last few months I think I've run the whole gamut of emotions - depression, trapped, self loathing, loneliness, cautious happiness, absolute terror. I think I'm somewhere between the last two at the moment. I'm happy that I've realised who I am, but terrified of it and the consequences at the same time. I know I'm not making much sense - I'm sure you've already noticed my tendency to ramble on :icon_redf

    Your friend sounds like a right character. If I wind up half as comfortable with myself as you make him sound, I'll be content :icon_bigg