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Full blooded anarchist!

Discussion in 'Coming Out Advice' started by confusedlost, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. confusedlost

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    picture this
    A man or woman that claim to have been born in the wrong body move heaven and hell to be in the body they want or a somewhere in between, the lgbt community and most of society accepts them as "normal"(i say normal in the sense that its ok) there are drag queens who are straight or bi or gay same with drag kings and faux queens. Again normal and perfectly accepted. And there are those that everywhere in between transsexual, transvestites, genderqueers,bi gender and trigender (WTF! idk), androgyne, and anyone idk about are perfectly accepted. I have no beef with any of them.
    BUT, when a gay or a lesbian don't want to be their sexual orientation and they go to extreme lengths to change their orientation to something THEY feel comfortable with they are seen as close-minded, ignorant or right-wing conservatives. They are pretty much forced by society and the lgbt community to come to accept their orientation but what if they dont feel comfortable being that whatever the reason may be. Its their religion let them follow it any way they want. Its their life their goals their vision of what they want their live to be. Aren't we put in this world to be what we want to be! Everyone in the world deserves to be with whoever they want to be with (sounds familiar doesn't it). I'm sorry but i thought this was America(if you're not in America then arent we all humans). I thought people were more open-minded now a days. If these people dont want to be gay or straight(I'm sure there are those out there too in this crazy world of ours) why can't we all just accept them as they are and instead of forcing them to accept it why can't we just help them meet their lifes ambition? Can someone please answer me that. Lets all be a little more supportive and understanding. My original title for this was I dont want to be gay. But after this rant i found I may be gay or straight or bi I may never know but one thing i did find out about me Im a full blooded anarchist!
     
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    LGBT people are than welcome to try and be straight and happy. But it will never genuinely happen since all they are doing is lying to themselves and others. Sexual orientation cannot be changed. I just feel sorry for them since they want to live a miserable life and they don't have to.
     
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    They may not be able to change their sexual orientation but that doesnt mean they'll be miserable they just want to be who they think believe they are or who they strive to be in their own eyes or in their religion. Weird I know. I believe sometimes to be happy we must even go against ourselves.

    Ps. I have nothing against anyone I just have problems with those that dont let anyone else be.
     
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    I have a feeling religion is a big source for what you are talking about. You do know you can be gay and religious right? Also it pains me to see people living their life for other people and not themselves. At the end of the day those other people really don't matter and won't always be there.

    There are a handful of older(30s-60s) people on here that have tried to live a straight life and it's very apparent that they are/were extremely unhappy with that decision. Not only because of the time they've lost for them-self but also all the pain they are having to put their families through since they can no longer live that lie.
     
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    My thoughts exactly. Decisions we make by not accepting ourselves can have terrible consequences for others. I know because I'm living it.
     
  6. TheEdend

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    I don't think anyone is forcing people to either come out or that they must accept themselves. Its actually impossible to make someone accept themselves so anyone who does gets there is completely by their own means and following their own journey.

    I think there is some validity in what you said and you are right, we shouldn't force anyone into something they don't want. If you never want to come out or accept yourself, then go for it. I think what happens is that a lot of people who have been where you are know how miserable life can be in that state of mind, so they naturally try to help out. But its never done out of malice. At least not by sensible people.

    Take for instance. What would you tell someone who was miserable with being a certain race? Would you advice them to accept themselves for who they are or would you advice them to try and hide the fact that they are a certain race?

    You may not agree with that assessment, but that's how most people view it. And its why most people, again, try to help.

    Most of us never wanted to be gay. We hated it, we hated the idea of what our lives could be and we tried every single thing possible to "turn straight". For most of us it hasn't been an easy path, but everyone that has been able to accept themselves will tell you that it is ten times easier to deal with everything once you realize that there is really nothing weird or bad with being gay, and that life doesn't have to be sad and miserable.
     
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    Actually Im not religious at all im just speaking on behalf of those who are and wish to not be gay and their battles trying to change and i felt their pain. If they dont want to be gay they shouldnt have to be. its just i noticed if gay thoughts are unwanted well then theyre unwanted ... im bringing this about because i started having depression for unrelated reasons around august 2011 and around january i started contemplating if i was gay didnt find guys attractive never have still dont. But the running thoughts are getting to be too much so i think i may be gay but i just plain and simply dont want to have an intimate relationship with another man regardless of religion society my family or friends think (which by the way all of which will accept me) its just something that seems anti-me.

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    i agree its pretty dumb if someone says i dont like my race i dont feel comfortable being my race (kind of like being gay) but i would tell them if you dont want to be associated with your own race then associate with the one you feel comfortable with
     
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    What makes you feel that you are gay if you aren't attracted to guys?
     
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    ^ That's a good question.


    But that still wouldn't solve the problem of not wanting to be a certain race. That only solves the problem of being around a certain race.

    Scientifically, there is no evidence that you can change your sexuality so in that regard no one can help you be straight. You can hide it and you can act like you are straight, which more people than you think have done, but you cannot become straight.

    Have you thought about seeking therapy to maybe help you organize your thoughts?
     
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    idk what makes me think im gay but i just one day got to thinking what if i was gay and didnt know it and pretty much since then my mind ran with the idea and it just stuck on that tune since for the past 10 months
     
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    If you were gay you would be pretty aware of it. You already are to some degree since you said you aren't attracted to men. You would be checking out guys, thinking about them, fantasizing about them, find it desirable to be in a relationship with one, etc... Unless the person is in deep denial and not admitting to themself that those things are "gay" yet.
     
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    Understand being an Anarchist is not a good thing. If Anarchy rained your skull would most likely be used as a soup bowl for some big dudes dinner.

    I do not think you would want to live in that society. People like me would chew you up. Understand what Anarchy is, and wonder if you could survive in the situation, before you decide you are an Anarchist.

    Now as for your sexuality, yes you could say you changed, but yoiu can't. And if you live a straight life and are gay and get married, and do all that, you are stringing along a persons emotions, and I consider this to be an evil and manipulative thing.

    So try to accept your sexuality, repressing it only leads to negative things, and choosing to live a straight life when you are gay, is clearly the wrong choice. If you are going to be "straight" don't date anyone, that is just wrong to the person you are dating.
     
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    i for one before i got depressed have always been comfortable with my sexuality i would comfortably agree if a man is handsome or even sexy by womans terms(abs muscles and whatnot) but never fantasized or checked them out on my own time (other than checking out another mans girl and saying in my head damn girl you too pretty for that dude or oh sure i guess he good looking)
     
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    Yeah, you don't sound very gay to me yet.. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
     
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    Your gay or something kid, try to accept it.

    Denial is first stage anyways.

    I had the exact attitude, possibly worse.

    How old are you anyways.
     
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    i for one dont want to date a woman to live a straight life i want to date a woman because it feels natural to me as im sure being with a man feels natural to you and anything other than would seem alien?

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    20yrs old

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    lol yea maybe i am but ive been trying to wrap my mind around being gay for the past 10 months and i cant seem to embrace the idea ive talked to my neighbor who tried to get me to embrace being gay (hes not gay hes supportive) but even then its just idk how to explain it just doesnt seem right for me if that would clarify it
     
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    I have the same feeling. I even am guilty after sleeping with guys.

    It's called internalized homophobia, something a part of you is homophobic so since you can't accept gays you can't accept yourself.

    Ask yourself this, are you comfortable around gay men? EXTREMELY EFFEMINATE OBVIOUS GAY MEN?

    I still am not, and it's because I am partially homophobic, so maybe you have the same problem.

    Based on your age there is no way you are just curious, maybe more in serious denial.
     
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    you know i feel... i feel like damn so now i can no longer enjoy a woman their smiles their bodies the way they smell taste lol... the warm feeling i get when im around them...other than being their friend but its not the same i feel almost robbed of one of the greatest things in life
     
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    I really don't see you being gay or in denial with the stuff you've said recently. However your original post comes off completely different like you don't want to be gay. :confused2:
     
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    Well I don't know I was just being harsh to get you to accept it.

    YOU HAVE FEELINGS FOR WOMEN? LIKE REAL ONES? OR DELUDED ONES YOU CREATED TO SEEM STRAIGHT? I even had the "fake" crushes on girls.

    The reason I said he was gay is because the views seemed similar to mine.

    I convinced myself I was attracted to girls, and even tried to masturbate to lesbian porn. I remember how proud I was of myself one month casue I hadn't watched anything gay, even though I was thinking about guys the ENTIRE TIME.

    What I got from this post is that guys are heavily on his mind.

    The OP can correct me if I'm wrong though. The blurb was a mess, and hard to follow.