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most homophobes are gay?

Discussion in 'Coming Out Advice' started by Vanovic, Oct 10, 2012.

  1. Vanovic

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    I've read about research and it claims that most homophobes are gay themselves.
    A person I'm in love with says that I'm a faggot ( not to my face) but on the other hand, he's doing anything to avoid me, walks through a dark hall to avoid me ( he's my neighbour), blocks me on facebook.

    If he's not gay, he's an asshole, but I would understand his behaviour if he'd be gay.
     
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    Yeah many times very homophobic people are gay themselves and do/say anti-gay things so people won't associate them with being gay. On the other hand, they can just be genuinely stupid assholes. It's kind of hard to tell the difference unless you really know the person well.
     
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    I used to be pretty homophobic, and still say thats gay, you're a fag, ....etc and I'm gay. I even get uncomfortable if I know a gay person is around, I would avoid someone if I knew they were gay. I personally would not say anything mean to them, because I just am not that kind of a person, but hey some people are.

    I even avoided LESBIANS I knew of, if that even makes sense. talk about super fucking homophobic.

    I am convinced this one "super" macho dude at my old work was gay, he was obsessed with pointing out I've never fucked a girl(I have but I never told him) and enjoyed calling me gay. He was also super buddy buddy with me when we were alone which was weird. Had no problem commenting on my arms and legs, and my abs.

    So you never know, this guy was super homophobic but he also almost hit on me at times.
     
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    Well, you can keep after him and hope you can breakthrough the rough homophobic exterior and find the hot, sweet, man-on-man-loving, chocolate center if you so desire. But I think the smart move is to cut him free and find somebody who will love you back without all the work.

    Lex
     
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    I agree with Lex. It's no fun dealing with a closeted person, especially one with a lot of hatred for gays, because that translates to self-hatred.

    It is, according to the research, a pretty common thing for people who have vehement hatred for gay people to either be gay, or have fears that they are gay. Debbie Ford wrote about this in a more general way her wonderful book "The Dark Side of the Light Chasers." Basically, according to her work, most everything we have a deep fear or hatred of is something we fear deeply (and often unconsciously) in ourselves.

    I think you'd be better off finding someone who isn't quite so closeted... if indeed he is gay and not just an asshole.
     
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    When I was in the closet, I made fun of gays: like omg, do you think that guy from the 4th grade is gay? You should hear him talking and then I came up with the greatest impersonations.


    on topic: easier said than done, I'm not the kinda guy saying: I move on, find myself someone new. Once I feel that he's something more than just an asshole, I want to fight until I get the feeling that I've done absolutely everything.

    In a way it's a challenge, but at this very moment, we do anything to avoid each other. He won't leave his appartment whenever he's hearing footsteps. He looks through his window before he leaves to see that I'm not about to come in.

    He knows that I won't attack him but why would he put in so much effort to avoid me if he wasnt gay but just an asshole?
     
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    As I always say, the older the homophobe, the more likely that he or she is gay, my logic being that the younger that straight people are, they don't understand why we're the way we are, or its just a matter of maturity.
     
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    It all makes sense really. Like a fat-ish person calling other people fat. Just to cover up their own insecurities.
     
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    Some homophobes are gay. Most are straight, this is statistically inevitable. Likewise, most people who make an effort to avoid you are making it for a reason other than liking you and being scared by it.

    For a lot of people, liking someone makes them highly attuned to the other person's actions. They begin to read in reasons and motives into their crush's actions that just aren't there. They find meaning in the subtlest things that in truth are meaningless. This is easy, this is common. It's also dead wrong.

    And as Chip and Lex said, even if he did like you and you did break through to some inner gay self, he wouldn't be capable of being in a healthy relationship. Move on.
     
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    There was a research project done, I forget the university Ill try to find it, they asked for homophobic and non-homophobic to be a part of it. They took the individuals and attached something to them to see if there is more blood flow to the penis, they then showed the said individuals gay porn videos(I assume softcore).

    A huge amount I forget if it was a majority, again Ill try to find it, of the homophobic people got erections, like a significant amount, whilease the straight guys who were comfortable with it barely got erections, I think a couple did but they could have just been gay becuase they asked for HOMOPHOBIC and NON HOMOPHOBIC, I don't think they asked for specific orientation.
     
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    The tool used in those studies is a penile plethysmograph. I share the author's doubts about their usefulness in determining orientation.
     
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    Hey, if you'd rather stick with him and try to "turn him to the dark side", more power to you. You wouldn't be the first person to go that route. It's just that most people who do, even if they end up in bed or a relationship with the guy, end up pretty unhappy in the long run. Well, other than being able to say "I slept with the homophobe", and maybe that makes up for everything else. :slight_smile:

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    the person I'm talking about is in his early thirties. Hasn't had GF in ages, but last week I found out he dated a girl but I havent seen anyone around ever since, makes me wonder that he might have been confronted with himself trying his best to hide it.

    Anyway, for some it might be easy when he's saying he's not gay, but I need to figure this out.

    The big question is: how could you break these kind of walls? Someone told me: he should be a bit drunk, then he'll definitely say the truth.
     
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    Yeah I'm with Lex. People don't change, an ass is an ass.

    And I'm a firm believer that most homophobes just don't know any.
     
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    Dude, seriously? It may be true that en vino es verdad, but how ethical is it to give someone a mind-altering substance to extract information from them? It does not matter if he's gay. If he is, great and maybe someday he'll want a boyfriend. If he isn't, that's fine too.

    But you know who I would never in a million years date? Someone who got me drunk to find out whether I was gay.
     
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    The number of guys that I could potentially hook up with just trippled.
     
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    Bahahahahaha no.
    As evidenced by Proposition 8 in California, more than 50% of voters are homophobic. I don't think that 50% of Californian voters are gay.
     
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    who knows?
     
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    There's a newer study that used a very innovative, and much more clever methodology. I don't remember exactly what it was but I believe it had to do with eye blinks or something that has been proven to show interest/attraction in previous studies, and they measured sexual attraction first (entirely surreptitiously, so the subjects had no idea what was going on... unlike the plethysmograph... someone puts that contraption on you and you have a pretty good idea of what they're going to be doing...) and then compared it to, if I remember correctly, homophobic remarks or feelings. I think I posted about it here some months ago.

    The upshot was, as I said earlier, that a large portion of the people who were the most homophobic also showed strong signs of same-sex attraction.
     
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    Well, I know one guy who went that route. Got his hot homophobic friend drunk, took him to bed, and put the moves on him. Guess what? The guy responded. So they had sex. Of course, the next morning was a bit awkward. The homophobe gave the guy a black eye, trashed his house, and kicked his dog so hard it had to be put down. But hey - he got to have sex with the hot homophobic guy. Maybe his eye, his possesions, and his dog's life were an acceptable price to pay. He didn't seem to think so after the fact, though.

    Lex