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29, stuck in life & frustrated - & arguably insane

Discussion in 'Coming Out Advice' started by Psmith, Jan 1, 2013.

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  1. Psmith

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    Hello! This is really long (sorry!), but I'm desperate & frustrated, & trying to convince myself that I haven't completely fucked up my life. (I've posted before, so stuff in "quotes" is either from that post, or detail. Not sure how to do spoilers - sorry.)

    I'm 29, unemployed, living with my parents, in a town I loathe (a bureaucratic hellhole), utterly alienated from the environment, not really living in the 21st century - & coming to terms with the fact that I'm gay. I keep making the same mistakes. Things cannot go on this way. This is a new year, & I want my life to change. I'll be 30 in a few months; I must determine what I'm doing with my life, & confront my sexuality. So why is it so difficult?

    I. I'm (probably) gay
    I've spent the last decade and a half ignoring sexuality. I told myself I hadn't socialised enough to meet the right girl, wasn't confident enough to think about girls, or was asexual. Saw a few psychologists for anxiety & depression, who all said that I was a homosexual in denial - which I denied. But my subconscious was telling me otherwise.
    Since then, I've felt I had to confront the issue. I've started looking at gay porn, & realised that it's arousing - when I'm not disgusted with myself.

    I'm currently seeing a counsellor (for sexuality), which is awkward, because she wants to talk about my "feelings" - whereas I haven't had any since I was 13, & have the emotional intelligence of a whelk. I tend to approach life from an angle of cheerful, energetic rationality, which ignores emotions. She's suggested that I go to places where gay people congregate, just to observe - & the idea terrifies me. Shall I continue to be a coward? Pah! So why am I so reluctant?

    • Shame This is HUGE. I know deep down that I'm not heterosexual. I don't want to be straight; I want to be comfortable with who I am, & confident - which won't be until I'm out. But I'm reluctant to admit it, act on it, or have people suspect that I'm gay. (Even posting here is nerve-wracking.) And, yes, this is the 21st century, the sodomy laws have been abolished, attitudes to sexuality are cultural constructs, & there are plenty of admirable gay historical / cultural figures. It shouldn't be a big deal. How do I get to the point where I can think a guy is attractive without feeling guilty, intimidated, or like some lower form of life?
    • Am I making a mistake? Have I convinced myself I'm gay because I haven't been around girls enough? Do I really think I'm heterosexual? Unlikely. In an earlier post, I put forward the evidence for & against my being gay.
      But I don't "feel" gay. I'm trying to deal with something emotional from an intellectual standpoint, as a problem to be solved; so it seems unreal, of academic interest only.
    • Left it too late I've been in denial for so long that coming out has attained huge proportions. Shouldn't I have dealt with this as a teenager?
    • Poor body image Very mild cerebral palsy; recovered from eating disorder (45 kg a year ago, not ideal for someone who's 5'8"). I was thin! I could see my ribs! Now I think I'm overweight (some flab, not toned, although people have said I'm looking fitter), & that I need to look like an Adonis before I can have a relationship. Hurrah for galloping inferiority complexes!

    II. My current situation

    In real life, I've been told I come across as confident, energetic, friendly, & able to talk under water - not to mention opinionated & forceful. (Playing a part?) But I'm grappling with a feeling of failure, caused by the fact that I haven't achieved anything in life, I'm wasting my talents, & I'm living with my parents.

    I've wasted my 20s. The time of life when I should have been out exploring the world, working out who I was, and (yes!) falling in love & having relationships, I've spent in isolation.
    And what have I got at the end of it? An M.Phil. in English, which I can't see how to use. No intention of becoming an academic: I want to get into the real world, not the ivory tower, & I don't want to be a teacher. How the hell did my life come to this? (A: By shutting out the real world.)

    I'm also utterly at odds with my environment. Ever since I was a kid, I've wanted to TRAVEL - to see the world, & have adventures. I'm living in a country I don't want to be in - I'm Australian, lived in Belgium as a child (10-13), & feel more European than Australian. I'm bilingual in French, have good German & Italian, & am thinking of learning Russian. I've read voraciously in history & literature, comparative religion & mythology, & could write a book on 19th C opera. I'm used by now to thinking on the broad historical scale, & feel that I have Western civilisation floating around inside my head. In fact, I'm probably living proof of reincarnation. By the end of uni, at 23, I'd read the complete works of Shakespeare, most Greek tragedies, was obsessed with Wagner & Meyerbeer, & the Roman emperors. And what did I know about the modern world? Zip, nada, zilch. I haven't just been in the closet - I've shut out the 21st century. I'm sick of a life that is purely intellectual & historical, that isn't grounded in reality, of being an outsider.

    I've barely socialised with people my age - a handful of friends from school; improv acting last year (where several people asked whether I was gay - am I somehow giving off signals without being aware of it???); returned to uni in another town start of this year, &, although I made good friends with a lot of people, pulled out because I wasn't sure what I was doing. I listen to modern music, read SF&F, & go to the movies whenever I get a chance (40 times last year). But how did I spend New Year's Eve? At home, watching an obscure Russian opera in which a group of mad monks throw themselves into a funeral pyre. Is this what a 29 year old should be doing? I HATE MY LIFE.

    I wake up in the middle of the night, thinking that I've ruined my life, & I'll never be happy; or I find myself thinking "I want my life to end". Every day, I pass the pre-school & primary school I went to 20-odd years ago, when life seemed rich & exciting. Somewhere inside is the curious, energetic, outgoing boy who thought he would amount to something in the eyes of the world. And that kid is screaming. To find myself at the age of 29 stuck in one small town, doing nothing with my life, unsure what to do, & trying to work out who the hell I am, is a nightmare.
     
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    whoah, hold up. i've read your entire post and i feel obligated to say this:

    you have so totally not wasted your life. in fact it seems to me like you've done plenty of good things with it already! i understand in part why you are freaking out, but seriously you need to calm down. there is absolutely nothing wrong with finding oneself at the age of 29, nor is there anything wrong with having not spent your 20s the way a stereotypical 20something would have. everyone looks back on their life with some amount of regret wishing that they had done something differently, but you still have your whole life ahead of you to discover yourself, to travel the world, to form meaningful relationships etc etc. it's not like you've missed some kind of boat.

    please note that i'm saying this as a 27 year old who can personally relate to some of what you've said

    moving on to whether or not you're actually gay and coming to terms with it..... based solely on what you've said in your post i would say that you are gay, although only you can really confirm or deny that. i'm not entirely sure what the intensity of your denial/fear of being gay stems from, but i think finding out what's causing those things and confronting whatever it is will help you take the first steps towards accepting yourself for who you are. some of the things you wrote came across as internalized homophobia, as if you felt being gay was some kind of crime or that it makes you a monster... that if anyone realized that you were gay you'd be ostracized or something. knowing that you feel that way makes me really sad and i wish i could help you..... you said you have a counselor, but aren't getting very far with her. i'm really sorry to hear that. i hope someone who can help you sees this thread and responds.

    i'm really sorry i can't help you because i so wish i could. :\ it's good that you've found this place and are asking for help because i'm sure that there are people here who can help you or who can at least get you headed in the right direction.

    wishing you all the best. (*hug*)
     
  3. Psmith,

    I COMPLETELY understand your position. I just figured out that I'm gay, and I'm 30. I feel all the time now that I should have known that I was gay for about 10 years now. I mourn for my life as a heterosexual and I regret that I was too stupid (or resistant) to figure out I was gay a long time ago.

    I don't know what to tell you though. It's rough, but you aren't alone. Don't feel bad if you think you're overweight. Some guys (like me) are totally into guys that are plump. Maybe find a LGBT group and attend to see if you can find people to share your story in person. There are loads of people going through the same thing.
     
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    Here you can find a similar perspective:
    http://emptyclosets.com/forum/anony...-need-reassurance-ive-not-wasted-my-life.html

    The common thread is, you're feeling you have missed out on what everyone else was experiencing. I can relate to that. I had always excellent grades in school, and I was promised so many big things in life that I've spent the last 15 years trying to figure out where I lost my ticket to glory. I was not able to move out of my father's house until age 26, and even now, just turned 30, I'm still struggling to make ends meet, and don't yet have that sense of being truly and fully my own person.
    Ruminating on frustration just won't do. We have made some choices and forgone others. That is a fact we have no choice but to live with. It would have been obviously more fulfilling and satisfying to have known back then what we know now, so we could have made better choices and experienced the milestones we needed. The fact is, it didn't happen. A simple fact, with no moral value to it. A neutral event in the history of the universe. Other people had other lives. We had ours. No point in feeling envy or blaming anyone.
    This is all to say that, by merely being still alive, and knowing what you now know about yourself and about what you want, you can do those things. You can give your life what it needs. It's sure going to be harder to begin now than all those years ago, but if any good news can be drawn from all this situation, it's that nothing makes it impossible until you give up.

    Very good. Now go and write that book. Who knows, you may get famous or something.

    Actually, knowledge has its sexy side. I can't stand a man who cannot hold a serious conversation.

    Only you decide what you should be doing. It's harmful to let external expectations dictate how you live your special moments. I planned to spend New Year's Eve sewing the hem of my new trousers, but instead I fell asleep after reading too much Harry Potter fanfiction. And I do not regret a single minute of it.

    It's obviously no comfort to know that everybody feels that way at some point in their lives, but it helps one gain some perspective. Many people spend entire lives of emptiness without once questioning what they really wish to be. You have the rare privilege to be very well educated and able to think deeply on these matters.
    After my father did all he could to push my life in all the wrong directions, I find myself at age 30 going through the stages I should have passed at age 20, but I have made peace with that. It cost me years of effort and patience and self-hatred to finally gain mastery over my decisions, and even now I can't do everything I wish I did. I just don't have the money to go on vacation in Costa Rica, do a pilgrimage journey to Nepal and retire in New Zealand. During the next 20 or so years, I may or may not get to save enough to do those things. I'm trying not to be too harsh on myself, and be realistic in my goals. In the meantime, I continue quietly writing my novels and doing what I have to do to get closer to the life I want.
     
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    Wow, I've just read this thread and felt that I've read an autobiography. My passion is in technology, not English, but still...

    I'm 33, and had a great deal of internalized homophobia I think (and probably still do). That's purely my mind battling with itself - externally, I'm one of the staunchest supporters of LGBT rights that you'll find, but I never thought that could be *me* that I'm fighting for.

    I was raised in a Catholic family, which I think has a lot to do with it. The Church teaches that homosexuality is a sin, and that we'll all go to hell. This idea became so deeply ingrained that right up to now, I've had no relationships of any kind with a man or woman. I've completely wasted the first 33 years of my life, when that's supposed to happen.

    My personality is much like yours, I think - people find me easy to like and get along with, and I project confidence, and I've always been confident and in control. That's what brings me to what I'm feeling now with regards to my sexuality, and that's COMPLETELY FUCKING TERRIFIED. I've never had to deal with a "problem" that I had no control over, and not having control is the most terrifying aspect to me.

    Like you, I'm absolutely terrified that I'll never find anyone. I have *no idea* what to do to go find someone, that's just not a skillset that I have. I don't easily make friends (though when I do, I'm the most loyal person in the world to them), so how can I POSSIBLY expect to find a partner?

    Oh well, all fodder to work on with our respective therapists, and sorry for the length.
     
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    Everyone: Thanks for your replies, & for the support & sympathy! It's heartening to know that other people have had similar experiences, & that I'm not alone - & I'm sorry that you've gone/are going through turmoil, & hope that we all find what we're looking for.(&&&)

    Didn't mean to sound so overwrought; I'm just feeling overwhelmed by not enough going right in my life, & the enormous changes I have to make - changing my whole personality, attitude to life, lifestyle, career. Not going to be much left of me! "The old man must die, & the new man will discover to his inexpressible joy that he has never existed."

    Curlycats, I think the fear of being gay is due to adolescence. Went to a conservative all male Anglican school, with a staunchly homophobic culture - being gay was about the worst possible thing you could be; nobody was openly gay, & the general attitude was one of contempt. Thought that being gay meant misery & loneliness & isolation. (And not being gay has meant...?) Was bullied in high school - not for being gay (which I was hiding from myself), but for being different: clever, imaginative, literary, dramatic, bad at sports, &, until the age of 14, sensitive (cried easily). So became self conscious about being different from "normal" guys. Monitored my mannerisms for any sign of effeminacy. If I had to be different, I'd be so on my own terms: larger than life, & heartily eccentric (BRIAN BLESSED!!!).

    There are a few other reasons, mainly physical stuff. (Might post anonymously.)

    Don't know many gay people; really only one friend in Melbourne, who's nice but psychotic, & a guy I did archery with. So I should try to post actively here. I've told a couple of friends that I suspect I'm gay, who are fine with it. Others have been suggesting that I'm gay for years... BUT the group also contains Christian fundamentalists, who believe that homosexuals (along with non-Christians, scientists, people who have sex outside marriage, &c) are damned; & economic rationalists who consider gays (& I quote) "limp-wristed faggots". So there's the fear of ridicule & humiliation, & not being accepted.

    Re. the counsellor: it's OK, but we're too different temperamentally. Nearly made the mistake of seeing a psychologist / would-be politician whose election platform was making homosexuality a criminal offence.:eek: Fortunately, he was soundly thrashed at the polls.

    Odahingum, you're right. I set high standards for myself. But what's done cannot be undone. I can't sit in the closet, wringing my hands & saying "I am accursed! Alackaday! I need a time machine!" I have to be proactive, & move on. After all, Wagner had 12 years of exile & poverty, & Dickens worked in the blacking factory... (I'm comparing myself to Wagner? Diagnosis: early onset megalomania!) What are your novels about, & have you had any published?

    Now to determine what I should actually do with my life, & what steps to take. Joining an LGBT group would be a good idea, CaptVonTrapped, but I don't feel comfortable coming out in this town. Too small; don't have enough independence.

    And decide on a career. I could apply for PhDs in Europe & the US, & be over there by the end of the year - but I don't want to be an academic. Left it too late to be an actor, & it's an unstable life. I've applied for a dozen or so courses in Melbourne, so should get into something (I'll know in a fortnight). Ideally, TV/film production, which would be the best way of using my knowledge of drama productively, & communicating with an audience. But that'll take another 3 years, & I worry I'd have left it too late to get overseas by then. Well, start writing scripts & stories, so I have a name as a writer; & there're the Fox Studios in Sydney. Like you, RainbowMan, I find the idea of not having control terrifying. Studying & working means losing control; going from a roof over my head & 3 meals to...? I'm looking at social groups in Melbourne - there's a gay RPG / D&D Meetup group, which could be ideal - likely to meet people who are on a similar wavelength. Are there any groups you could join where you live?

    Anyway, thanks again!
     
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