1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

I need to accept that I am a aromantic asexual...

Discussion in 'Coming Out Advice' started by mangolassi, Jan 17, 2013.

  1. mangolassi

    mangolassi Guest

    I've written down my frustrations with my sexuality or lack thereof you could say. I don't know if this will make a lot of sense to people, I'm not very articulate but I need to write it somewhere.

    I'm female. I'm 25. I've been bi curious for seven years now. It all started with watching South of Nowhere and becoming obsessed with Spashely. Anyways from that point on having a same sex relationship seemed really appealing to me. And several years later it still is. I even sometimes fantasize about being in a same sex relationship - kissing, holding hands, a girl asking me out etc. But I know it's just one huge fantasy because I've never had any sexual or romantic attraction to women.

    A couple of years ago I realized I was asexual because I have no sexual attracted towards guys either. And I’m all good with it. I also initially thought I was hetero romantic too. That was till I realized I wasn't romantic but aromantic. What I thought was romantic attraction towards guys, was actually aesthetically attraction. eg. I had a crush on a guy in high school. I liked his laugh, he was cute and liked to look at him but that was all. As long I could look at him I was happy. Not once did I think about being in relationship with him. And that how it's been for all the guy crushes I have had.

    The few times I've been asked out by guys, my anxiety levels have shot through the roof. However I did once say yes to a male friend that I did get along well with, but that literally lasted for five minutes because of the massive anxiety. We went back to friends the next day.

    I am fine with being asexual. It's is hard accepting that I am aromantic (still somewhat in denial) because that means I will never be able to experience the romantic relationship that I've always envisioned - to love someone and be loved in returned . However the thing I'm scared of the most is ending up alone. *sigh*

    This denial of being aromantic has lead me to grab on to that bi curiosity that I have had about same sex relationships and over analyze it, to death (OCD) . I’ve been spending hours on this forum, hoping that maybe I can relate to a story on here, hoping that I had feelings for the same sex that I didn't know about and that maybe I am homoromantic, but I doubt that, I’m sure I would know by now. If I don't have that then there is nothing for me *blah* I don’t know how to accept that.

    I am thinking it may be a good idea to talk to a Councillor? ... I doubt they would know what I am talking about:icon_sad: Or am I being over dramatic?

    Thanks for reading.
     
  2. Rachyl

    Rachyl Guest

    A councilor is a excellent idea.:thumbsup:

    I talk to two different ones myself for different issues. I find they are great sounding boards on what I need to hash out in my head. They help by giving you a safe place to express what your feeling, and they can have some great advice.

    About you feeling worried that you will end up alone, is perfectly natural. Everyone goes through that, especially when you facing an uncertain future. Just remember that you have friends, and family, so you will never be truly alone. I am very sure there are people that love you and care for you and are always happy to see you.

    I hope this helps. (*hug*)
     
  3. curlycats

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2012
    Messages:
    414
    Likes Received:
    0
    hello and welcome to the forum. :slight_smile:

    first of all, no way are you being over dramatic. while i'm not asexual myself, i still feel where you're coming from. i feel like my demisexuality has very much effected how i've discovered my sexuality (as in both my romantic and my sexual attraction) and that at times (in the past and even now) it can feel like i'm grasping at straws. :/

    i think it should be noted, however, that being aromantic isn't a sentence to spending life alone. it may (probably will) be hard, but aromantics can have life partners as well. romance isn't a requirement for a relationship. if it were, best friends wouldn't exist.

    on the other hand, the fact that you've fantasized about being in a romantic relationship and also that you seem to crave love on a level that (in my admittedly limited experience) i haven't heard from an aromantic very much intrigues me. i really hope that someone else who is either aromantic or is familiar with aromance will find this thread and will share their opinion/experience. i wonder if rather than being aromantic you are demi or gray romantic....?

    a demiromantic is someone who doesn't experience any romantic attraction to someone until they have grown to know them very well (or extremely well for some people). it's very much like demisexuality except in regards to romance and like demisexuals, demiromantics may never develop a romantic attraction that parallels the norm, but it's still there. oh, and let me say now that there are many people who question the existence or validity of demiromanticism just as there are people who do the same about asexuality and demisexuality. such people aren't worth dealing with, imho. romantic attraction exists on a spectrum just like sexual attraction does. period.

    anyway, hope this helps. :slight_smile: i'd gladly discuss things further, but it's 1am lol.
     
  4. mangolassi

    mangolassi Guest

    I have defiantly heard of that. The "queer platonic relationships / romantic friendship." And I've also heard of aromantics being in romantic relationships.

    There are two problems with that -
    1) I doubt I will find that. Most people don't want that.
    2) I am very much a loner. I've always find it a struggle to keep up with friends. I need to force myself to keep in contact with the friends I do have.

    I guess I could be. On another forum someone asked if it's possible for someone who dose not experience romantic attraction, to have a romantic drive (that describes me perfectly). Similar to how some asexuals still have a sex drive even if they don't experience sexual attraction.

    Then again, I remember my friend asking me once "Do you really want a relationship? Or do you want a relationship because that's what society says you should want." That has always stuck with me. I am a hopeless romantic, and in love with the idea of love.


    I don't think so, otherwise I would of fallen for an ex friend of mine who was technically prefect for me in every way.

    The closest I've come to a situation like that is running into a person that I admired through out high school (a teacher), again by chance. After the interaction I felt like I was on some sort of drug, I couldn't stop thinking about her and felt extremely happy. It went away after a couple of days, thankfully, because it was freaking me out. But I think all it really was, was me being happy to see her again, otherwise it would of not been that brief.

    I am glad I had that experience, because for a moment, as short as it was, it made me understand what makes people want to date another person. But I doubt something like that will happen again.
     
  5. curlycats

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2012
    Messages:
    414
    Likes Received:
    0
    as i said, it probably will be hard finding someone who is alright with such a relationship, sadly. :/ if only asexuals and aromantics were more visible in society, it probably wouldn't be so hard... *sigh*

    about your second point, i can personally identify with that. i've always been introverted + a loner and have never really made any friends irl. it's only through the internet that i've been able to make real friends and meet my partner.

    a romantic drive.... interesting. :slight_smile: i haven't come across that idea before.

    re: the bolded text, that very question did cross my mind when i first read your post. perhaps society has influenced you, perhaps it hasn't. i don't see that as a big concern because the answer to that question won't change the way you feel, right?

    but i really love how you put it.... "a hopeless romantic in love with the idea of love." :slight_smile:

    what you described does very much sound like gray-romanticism leaning towards aromanticism to me....

    to compare this to the corresponding sexuality (just because i know of more gray-asexuals than gray-romantics and i do think that romantic attraction & sexual attraction parallel each other), there are many gray-asexuals who have only experienced sexual attraction enough times in their life to count it on one hand. there are also gray-asexuals who experience sexual attraction only very fleetingly, but it's still there even if very weak and/or short lived. contrast this with asexuals who have a sex drive, they may experience sexual urges (i like to think of those as the body screaming "f*uck ya, let's make a baby!!") but that still isn't sexual attraction. what you described sounds like a romantic attraction as it was brought about and directed towards a specific person (like sexual attraction), rather than it being a blind craving for romance/love (like sex drives/sexual urges).

    ....does that make sense? i often worry that the things that make sense to me won't make sense to anyone else. :eusa_doh:
     
    #5 curlycats, Jan 17, 2013
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2013
  6. mangolassi

    mangolassi Guest

    Yes, you are making perfect sense. That would make me grey-romantic who experiences romantic attraction very fleetingly. But still I hesitate to put a label on it because it was so short. If it would have lasted longer, I would of definitely called it romantic attraction. I asked on another forum, some people said it was squish. Whatever it was, it's been the closet I've come to feeling romantic attraction.

    All I know If I ever feel those feelings for a person (over an extended period of time) again, and they asked me out, I would not hesitate to say no or feel guilty about. And if I don't, I can't really worry about it because there is nothing I can do.
     
  7. curlycats

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2012
    Messages:
    414
    Likes Received:
    0
    i sincerely hope that in time you meet someone who gives you that feeling again. :slight_smile: or at the very least, meet someone with whom you can have a great relationship with so you won't always be alone.

    in your first post you mentioned possibly seeing a counselor. is that something you'd still like to get into? even if you just use the person as a sounding board to get stuff off your chest, maybe it'll help.....? but then again, being an introvert myself, i imagine that talking to someone about such things as this won't come easy at first. :/

    please do feel free to contact me on my wall anytime you'd like to chat about anything. :slight_smile: i'm always glad to listen and make a new friend.
     
  8. Ianthe

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2011
    Messages:
    2,760
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    Oregon
    You only saw her the one day, so she wasn't around to keep causing the feelings, right?

    What was this teacher of yours like? Is she an unusual sort of person? Maybe you are just very particular about the women you like.
     
  9. mangolassi

    mangolassi Guest

    Yes she wasn't around afterwards, but I saw her again, a year later and I had no feeling towards her at all.

    She never stood out from any other teachers. She taught me for three years and in that time I just really enjoyed chatting to her. I also admired her for her dedication to her work. From that stance the whole situation was odd. I think it most likely was the excitement of speaking to her again after so long.

    Liking particular women... I don't think I like women. Those bi curious feeling that I have are just fantasy. I think I would have known and felt it by now if that was the case. But if it ever happens again, which I'm 99.99% sure it won't, then I've given myself permission to panic.

    Thanks for your kind words.

    Truth is I've already been to a counselor; it was to do to with anxiety related stuff. After two months I stopped it since I felt my thoughts were mostly sorted out. In terms of relationships, all I touched on was “I would like one but I know it will never happen." I do regret not telling her about being an aromantic asexual. It would of been interesting to see her response. So yeah, I would end up feeling bad going back just for that.
     
  10. Kgirl

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2013
    Messages:
    266
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    UK
    Gender:
    Female
    Sexual Orientation:
    Lesbian
    Out Status:
    Out to everyone
    I'm only just realising now at the age of nearly 25 that I like women, so don't assume that you would have realised by now.
     
  11. mangolassi

    mangolassi Guest

    But you must have had some small inkling before then?
     
  12. Kgirl

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2013
    Messages:
    266
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    UK
    Gender:
    Female
    Sexual Orientation:
    Lesbian
    Out Status:
    Out to everyone
    Yeah I've always suspected it but never really thought too much of it because I've been with a guy since I was 16. If I'd have been single I may have realised sooner.

    Basically I've never until recently thought that I might like to kiss a woman etc., it was more checking girls out etc, noticing them more than guys.
     
    #12 Kgirl, Jan 18, 2013
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2013
  13. curlycats

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2012
    Messages:
    414
    Likes Received:
    0
    same goes for me, actually. it wasn't until i was 26/27 that i started noticing and then paying attention to my feelings towards girls/women. at 16/17 i seriously thought i was asexual, but at 18 i fell in love and have been in 2 back-to-back long term relationships since which made me never question or pay attention to anything other than my asexuality/demisexuality as that affected my partner.

    the relationship part may not apply to you, but i agree that you might not want to rule out an interest in women just yet. :slight_smile:
     
    #13 curlycats, Jan 18, 2013
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2013
  14. Hexagon

    Full Member

    Joined:
    May 1, 2011
    Messages:
    8,558
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Earth
    Hey, I'm Aromantic Asexual too. :slight_smile:

    A few years ago, I thought I was sexual and romantic, just because I had never encountered anything different. I did long for a romantic relationship, simply because everyone else did. In my case, at least, it was the idea of being loved and loving someone that drew me towards that idea.

    But in the last few years, I've taken the time to actually analyse myself. I don't have sexual urges with others, and I don't get sexually attracted to them. And although I desire the love that people might feel in a romantic relationship, I don't want the romance.

    The answer for me (and probably for you as others have suggested) is a platonic partner, or perhaps just relationships with friends, which can be fulfilling as well.

    My advice to you is to work on accepting yourself, and then be open to anything, whether it is a platonic life partner, a romantic partner, or even a sexual partner (if you find yourself attracted to them).
     
  15. MysticalFantasy

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2013
    Messages:
    65
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Sydney, Australia
    Gender:
    Female
    Out Status:
    Some people
    First off, YYYAAAAAAYYYY i have met another South of nowhere, Spashley fan, who also loves Rurouni Kenshin! ( referring to your avatar, if you are saying to yourself oro? )

    i dont think there is anything wrong with you. Just because you identify yourself as less sexually active than others, and rather are more into personalities, doesnt make you any less human. There are many people in this world who are asexual.

    im not one though for a brief moment in time i was, until i met my gf. I think there can be an ability however for you to actually feel some form of sexual desires when you meet or fall in love with someone.

    some psychologists will say that it isnt normal to not feel any for of sexual desires, but then again, some will also say that its wrong to be homosexual. So whatever you feel i your heart is what is most important. I think you shouldnt worry too much of what other people are thinking about you. Thats where anxiety exists. :smilewave
     
  16. mangolassi

    mangolassi Guest

    That has never been like that for me. I never really checked out girls.

    If I were romantically attracted to a person I wouldn't mind the romance. I'm not 100% sure, but something tells me I wouldn't mind having sex either.

    When I think about it logically,the one huge turn off for me is being bound to one person for the rest of your life, always having to consider the other person in everything you do and the fact that you can't just shut them out for a week or two if you have had enough of them. In that sense a platonic partner would be perfect for me.

    I know I need to do that. It is stupid that I worry so much about something that I cannot change. I should be enjoying my life not wasting it on worry.
     
  17. mangolassi

    mangolassi Guest

    *rant*

    I just feel like I'm sinking further and further into depression... And I must say I am a pathetic and selfish human being for even feeling like this. There are a lot of people who have worse problems than I. Who gets depressed over such a miniscule thing as being an aromantic asexual? Just, who? I have no reason at all to feel the way I do.

    On top of things it is a blatant waste of time too. Why worry so much about something I cannot change! *blah*
     
  18. curlycats

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2012
    Messages:
    414
    Likes Received:
    0
    oi, please stop belittling your situation/feelings. in no way are you being selfish, nor are you pathetic. the "there are people worse off than me" way of thinking is pointless and will get you nowhere as it applies to virtually everyone, and yet your aromanticism and asexuality are hardly "miniscule" issues. if they matter to you, and without a doubt they do (and rightfully so) as they are a part of who you are, you have every right to feel the way you do.

    i feel that i must encourage you to look for counsel outside of EC, because i'm afraid that EC and the majority of its members will not be able to identify with what you are going through and thus will often be ill equipped to help you.

    AVEN (the Asexual Visibility and Education Network), on the other hand, has an entire forum dedicated to Aromanticism and the entire community is filled with asexuals such as yourself. even if you choose not to join, i encourage you to look through the forum (esp. the Romantic and Aromantic Orientations forum). i have no doubt that you will find a lot that you can relate to and perhaps you will find something that will help you with the specific things that you are dealing with. AVEN's members vary widely in terms of the stage of life they are in, so if the future is something that concerns you, perhaps hearing from people who have been where you are now and have gotten past it will help?

    you so don't have to go through what you're going through alone and you most certainly shouldn't feel as if you are in the wrong for how you are feeling. realize that while you cannot change who you are, you can seek to further understand yourself and thus better equip yourself to deal with what life will throw your way. there is certainly nothing wrong with doing that, nor is there anything wrong with venting your feelings or seeking out like minds to commiserate/celebrate life with.

    (*hug*)
     
  19. mangolassi

    mangolassi Guest

    If I’m honest there is a lot more than simply just being aromantic asexual that has really got me so upset this time, I will tell you about experiences I have had over the past 9 years, that hasn’t got to do with my current sexuality.

    There is a part of me who has always wanted to be part LGBT community. Ever since watching Palex on Degressi same sex relationships have fascinated me I remember when I first saw it, I wished I could have such a personal and intimate relationship with another women, but of course I couldn't because I was straight (before I identified as asexual.)

    From there on I had this obsession with the lgbt community, specifically same sex relationships (which have come and gone over the last nine years.) I would spend hours looking at stuff related the lgbt community - coming out videos, websites ( my friend went through my history and saw it - I couldn't explain to him why I liked looking at it), watching the l word, DEBS, But I'm a cheerleader etc.. Even in the last year or so I've been lurking around LCHAT (lesbian forum - very unique at that.) And reading slash fiction from shows which I am not that into just because it is good slash fiction (I’m very weird like that) And it does not end there.

    Anyways I remember my aunt and I were in Vienna (two years ago) and I don't know why but she pointed out that there was a community centre for lgbt youth and all I could think of was "OMG really?" then every time we walk passed I would look at it. Same thing was the at the job agency that I went to. There was a flyer advertising an lgbt youth group here is me thinking "imagine going to that." Why would I want to? I really do not know.

    I've also had theses little weird experiences too


    I don't think I will even mention this HOCD stuff that happened at 14 years... which happened long before I knew what homosexuality was and identified as an asexual aromantic.

    • There was this one time in high school, theses girls were chatting in derogatory manner about how "theses two girls were making out behind the school" in the "why would you want ever do that" sort of manner. I felt a twinge of sadness, almost hurt.
    • I was at the train station and my friend was talking about wanting to date again, and she said something about dating my brother and immediately thought “or you could just date me." However I think that it was my bi curiosity coming out, since I had no feeling towards her at all.
    • Again that teacher, even if it was short lived, (I kinda of squished it - she was about 35 years older than me...yeah) and the way she made me feel. One of my first thoughts was this is a bit far from bi curious land, because I must admit if I had those types of feelings for a guys, I would have dated guys a long time ago Then again I think it was just excitement in seeing her again.
    • My brother had a girlfriend and I though gee if only I was a guy than it would be more acceptable to date women to see if that is what I wanted or not.
    • I remember my mother saying maybe i should get girlfriend, in the friend type of way. I almost wanted to say what you mean girlfriend, until I realized what she meant.

    Anyways I've had other periods when I was down about being aromantic but it was more so about not having a romantic relationship in general. The latest period of sadness of depresstion with my aromantacis steamed from the video "ed sheeran give me love." video. The video is about Cupid walking around, making people fall in love with each other. Men/Women. Women/Women, Men/Men, but she personally can't because she had a job to do. Until the end when she shoots herself with an arrow (so she can fall in love) and wakes up at the end to see her true love. I really identified with the video everyone around me is experiencing relationships but I can't.

    I watched the women kissing in the video about a million times (something about two women together, the passion, I loved it.) Than I started to feel really sad because I knew I could never feel that since I am aromantic. Still it got me fantasizing about what could be - kissing another women passionately, being asked out by a women that I like, going out on a first etc.. I also recently watched Swedish movie called "Kiss Me" there was a few sex scenes and for the first time I wondered what it would be like to have sex with a women.

    I did myself no favors coming onto EC and posting about my HOCD story. The responses to my tale, suddenly put me into this intense question phrase because how dare someone suggest that “I am gay, when I am not!” Yes that sounds very homophobic.

    The short of it is my preoccupation with the lgbt community and same sex fantasies need to stop. It isn't helping my acceptance of being an aromantic asexual at all:tears:. IMO I'm just in love with the idea of being with another woman because that means I am not an aromantic and that is a stupid reason. The reality is I have not experienced romantic or sexual attraction to another women at all agro I can’t possibly be gay. Most women on here always have had an inkling of being attracted to the same sex – I’ve never had that. They don't do anything for me, I don't ogle them either, and I can't see myself with same sex partner ever, it wouldn't feel right . I've really thought about it and their isn't a women that I've ever wanted to be with. And yet my mind keeps cruelly torturing with this fantasy, even those I am aromantic and asexual *gah* It's not fair!




    ...............................................................

    I want to apologize length and spelling mistakes. I hope that make sense.

    I was thinking about posting this post into a new thread of it's own? Would that be a good idea?
     
    #19 mangolassi, Mar 6, 2013
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 6, 2013
  20. mangolassi

    mangolassi Guest

    Or the simple answer is - I am gay.:frowning2: And that makes me feel sick inside. And that sucks because I consider myself accepting of all orientations.

    But then again my mind goes back the huge issue of not experiencing romantic / sexual attraction to the same sex at ALL. How can I be gay if I don't see females in that way? At most I would be considered bi curious.
     
    #20 mangolassi, Mar 6, 2013
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 6, 2013