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  1. Mommaoftwo

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    Hello all,
    I'm here to ask questions and get ideas for my son. I have this absolutely amazing kid who just told me last week that 'there is a huge probability that I'm gay.' He's 10 and pretty self-aware. The news didn't get him much of a reaction (me- 'ok', his 11 year old sister- 'duh') since I've wondered since he was tiny. I want to be as supportive as possible but to do that, I need to learn more! I'm keeping an open line of communication going with my son but it's embarrassing how often I have to tell him, 'I don't know. Let's look it up.'

    My husband thinks he's just confused/curious, so is unfortunately dismissive of it all at this point. I've figured this was the direction my son was leaning since he spent his fifth summer wanting Spiderman's costume because 'I'd look better in those tights!' and agruing with his sister about who was cuter, Iron Man or Thor.

    We live in a rural town with a pretty narrow minded point of view so I'm worried about how open he should be. I've told him so far that since he's still really young, I'd rather he only told people he trusts. He gets teased enough for being different, let's not give them more ammo. I'm pretty sure he doesn't feel any embarrassment, shame or any other negitive emotion about this. I've tried to make it as clear as I can that it's because other people's small mindedness that we're keeping quiet.

    I adore my son and want him to grow into the gorgeous, confident, grounded man I know he can. To do so, I want to be a good mom! So if anyone has any ideas on how to do anything differently, please tell me! How old is 'normal' to realize your sexuality? How do you know for sure? How do you deal with small minded people? And he asks 'how do you find a boyfriend?'. I'm holding both my kids to the no dating until you're older (15-16) rule but he figures he'll ask.
    Thank you!
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    Hi, and welcome to EC.

    First, your son is extraordinarily lucky to have you as his parent :slight_smile:

    Second, your son is definitely aware (or, at least, more comfortable talking about it) earlier than many others. I think the majority of kids realize they're gay sometime in their early-mid teens, but at the same time, when you ask most gay people when they figured it out, they'll say "they've always sort of known." So it's possible that you've just established an environment where it's totally ok for him to think about and own who he is early in life. And my guess is "a huge probability" is likely a "safe" way of saying "I *am* gay."

    From what you've described, I don't think your husband is correct; I think it's pretty likely that your son is gay, since it sounds like his attractions have been to men and male figures for a very long time.

    I'd say one of the best things you can do is just keep the communication lines open, which it sounds like you're doing. I would also suggest having a talk with him about online safety; one of the biggest issues for kids of this generation is the prevalence of online sexual activity (masturbation over webcam) and it is really easy for a child or younger teen to be talked into doing things that can end up being recorded and posted. This happens to girls as well as guys, but young gay guys seem to be particularly vulnerable, in part because they usually don't have people to talk to about what they're feeling.

    Obviously, these sorts of conversations are awkward and embarrassing conversations to have, for both parent and child, but I think it's important.

    I would also suggest the book "Daring Greatly" by Brené Brown. While it is not aimed at gay issues, it is an amazing book that talks about the impact of shame on people, and has several chapters that address parenting specifically. Shame issues are near-universal, but gay kids tend to deal with shame a lot more than their straight peers because of the societal and religious influences. Dr. Brown's work is backed by 12 years of research, and I think you'll find some very practical information that will help you understand some of the issues that shame can play in childhood as well as adulthood.

    Finally, while EC generally does not accept members under age 13, it is possible for us to do so with parental consent, and this community could be an excellent place for him to talk to others who are, like himself, either questioning or certain, and the staff and community is such that he'll be encouraged to make smart decisions as he grows up. Another option would be for him to talk individually with one of our advisor staff to ask questions and talk about his concerns.

    We welcome and encourage parental involvement, so feel free to ask any questions you may have, or contribute to our discussions in any way you see fit. :slight_smile:
     
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    Just love him. Why do you care what would people say - your son is way more important than what some people would say.

    How old is 'normal' to realize your sexuality? Well, you can ask yourself at what age you knew you were straight. Some people "realize" it earlier, some people realize it later.
    How do you know for sure? Ask yourself how do you know that you're straight. You just know, right? :slight_smile:
    How do you deal with small minded people? Don't care what people say or think. Be there for your kid and make sure he knows he's loved and that there's nothing wrong with him.
    And he asks 'how do you find a boyfriend?'. Just tell him what you think would be appropriate. :slight_smile:

    Love your kid - show him that you love him, tell him that you love him. It's really important. Don't ask him to do certain things that would make him appear less gay to other people. Don't make him feel ashamed.

    I adore my son and want him to grow into the gorgeous, confident, grounded man I know he can. To do so, I want to be a good mom!
    That's really sweet. I'm sure you're a good mom.

    (*hug*)
     
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    Thank you both! And the only reason I'm worried about the narrow mindedness is how it'll effect him. As for talking about internet safety, we've already started those talks. Luckily we're pretty open in conversations so they're not as humiliating as they could have been!
     
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    I can't really add anything to what Chip has said, but I want to add that your son is really lucky to have such an awesome mom.
     
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    All the appropriate advice has been given already, but wow 10 years old. I definitely noticed something back then, but I would have never have come to the realisation that I was gay. Really shows how society is changing for the better.

    Lastly, I must agree with the rest of posters - he is so lucky to have a mother like you. As long as he knows you're there for him when he's sure, he'll work everything out himself. :slight_smile:
     
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    Welcome to EC, we are glad to have you =)
    Your son is VERY lucky to have you as his mother.

    I really didn't know I was gay until I was 13/14 , but then went in to a really bad denial about it about 19/20 is when I came out to myself.


    How did I know? Well when you and out and about and you see people and you are only looking at the cute guys that was a big red sign.


    How do you deal with small minded people? I live in a small town about 1500 people so I know all about small town living. It was hard for me but I just really let them say whatever they wanted, but know that I'm older I just tell the to go **** themselves.

    also look in to see if you have a pflag (Parents, Families, & Friends of Lesbians and Gays) near you.
    once again you are a wonderful mother.

    If you or your son have any questions fell free to ask i'll help as best as I can.
     
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    Just to throw my 2c in here...

    Needing to look stuff up, and doing it as an activity with your son needn't be a 'bug', it could actually be a 'feature'. Finding out together can be a bonding experience for you both and also puts you in a position to be able to explain or discuss things with him that he may think of as a result of finding the answer to the original question. In addition, it gives you the chance to be there to discuss some of the less positive things that can sometimes come up on google search. Not talking porn here (or just porn) but rather various articles, editorials, and websites produced by the small minded people you mentioned that will seek to tell him there is something wrong with him or that he should be ashamed of what he is or should change.

    Both in terms of his self-esteem and in learning that such views exist and how to address them, it could be very helpful to have you available. As an added bonus, learning how to do a solid internet search can have educational benefits down the line as he starts doing school projects that call for it. Assuming he isn't already, of course:slight_smile:

    In some cases, you may want to do a search or learn about something beforehand and then guide him to finding the relevant (and appropriate) information when he finally asks about it.

    Ultimately he will hit an age where he just wants to find out stuff himself, but the above might be a start. Just a thought.

    As everyone else has said, you are a great mom for being so supportive of your son and looking out for him as you are doing.

    Hope this helps,

    Todd
     
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    Hi!
    It's totally normal for your husband to go through a grieving process in accepting your son's sexuality, and being resistant to the idea at first is part of that. Read that article I linked to for more information about that.

    Regarding how you know for sure: you know by your feelings. There is nothing else other than your feelings, your feelings are the whole thing.

    When I was your son's age, I didn't know I was gay. But I could have known, and in a perfect world, I would have known, based on my feelings. All the girls in my class were CRAZY for the New Kids On The Block, and I thought it was the MOST BORING THING EVER. Instead, I became obsessed with a series of books about a girl who disguises herself as a boy in order to enter knight training. The third book is called The Woman Who Rides Like A Man. This provides a very clear insight into my sexual orientation--that's a reasonably accurate description of every person I've ever really been attracted to.

    Interests at that age are relatively innocent, but they still reflect a person's sexual orientation. For some reason, straight people often think that homosexuality is inherently less innocent than heterosexuality, but that really isn't the case. It starts out with the same kinds of feelings from childhood, the only difference is who the feelings are directed at. (Your husband may think your son couldn't know if he's gay partly because he thinks that being gay is necessarily about having blatant, graphic sexual thoughts, in a way that heterosexuality isn't.)

    One thing I want to make really clear: no actual sexual experience is necessary to "know for sure." Your son's feelings are enough. Very often, young people are asked, "how do you know if you've never tried it?"

    This is a terrible mistake. It leads them to have sex with random people they are not attracted to, on the premise that they can't know if they are attracted to them without actually having sex. This is dangerous for obvious reasons, and often just makes them more confused. I am willing to wager that you knew you were attracted to your husband before having sex with him. That is the normal way that it works. So, don't let anyone, including your husband, give your son the idea that he needs to have some kind of experience to "make sure" or to prove something. He doesn't. His feelings are real, and they are enough.

    I also want to say something about coming out. You are right that some people might be cruel to your son if he comes out. He might lose friends. But if he doesn't come out, at least to some people, he will forever be wondering whether his friends would be his friends, if they knew the truth. That is awful for relationships, and for his social development. If he comes out, the friends he has will be people who accept him for who he is. People who love who he really is, and not just someone he's pretending to be, in order to be acceptable.

    Consider how much of peer bonding at that age is about sharing their experiences--I mean, starting at that age, I know that pretty much all girls want to talk about is boys. And I'm pretty sure boys start doing the same thing, in their own way. I don't know how to explain how isolating it is, to be excluded from that. Understand that people are likely to ask him who he has crushes on, and things like that, and so, you aren't just asking him to not say anything--he'll have to actually lie, when asked directly. He'll have to lie, about something that is basic to who he is.

    I don't think you should push your son to come out, but I do think you should be supportive of him telling people when he feels safe to, and when he is ready. His friendships with people will all seem false, if he is keeping this a secret.

    You really are a great mom, to have accepted and loved your son so easily.
     
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    Thank you all. Your support made me a little teary eyed.

    I talked to him about how people like to pick on anyone who's not fitting into their belief of what the norm is. And his response was that this IS his norm and 'normal is just a setting on a dryer'.

    We (my kids and I) have gone info seeking as a 'treasure hunt', so I do use that as a joint venture for us. My daughter is increadably active in the whole aspect. She's a pretty amazing kid.

    He's decided to just tell a handful of people right now. I've told him I'll stand behind that and back him up whenever he wants.

    And don't worry. I think the whole 'you don't know until you try' baloney is ridiculous and have taught my kids that from an early age that it only applies to food. The last time someone (an older boy) tried that line on my daughter, she told them she's pretty sure they wouldn't like cyanide, but they should probably try it to make sure.
     
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    I think you are doing a great job so far! Keeping an open line of communication is so key in making healthy relationships not just between you and your children, but as an echo/footprint that all their future relationships will be based on and effected by. Being accepted by your family is paramount to your self image as you grow up. Living in a small town I imagine he may have to deal with issues down the line. I think it might be a good idea if he had a place that he can go to discuss with people that are in the same position, such as an online community like this. A place to air frustrations and questions that is safe and yet still connected. (Im not sure if there is an age limitation on this site though so you would have to look in to that.) I just know that having a good online community has made a big difference to me in hard times, even though I might never know any of the people face to face. This could also give him first hand advice and communication that he would otherwise be lacking. I suppose this is the extent of the advice I can offer, but I think you are doing a wonderful job in all your open mindedness and support and love. Keep it up! :slight_smile:
     
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    Just wanting to be another voice to say;

    You are doing so amazingly. Your son is lucky, and you are being a wonderful mother. Your children seem surprisingly mature and aware, which I think is great. I think the chances of your children growing up to be well-adjusted and confident is very high, because of your efforts. I am impressed by their maturity.

    I do think you ought to give your husband a little time, and don`t react negatively to him needing more adjustment time. It can be difficult for parents to accept things like this, it does not mean he`s a bad father, or a bad person. We handle things differently. As long as he`s not saying negative stuff about LGBT topics near your son, or get angry when the subject is brought up, then I would let him adjust in his own tempo :slight_smile:
     
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    One other thought: Your son sounds incredibly wise for his age. You might do a quick Google search on "indigo children." It's a little airy-fairy, but seems to be gaining some credibility in some circles, and it sounds like your son might be an Indigo. If so, he's a special kid with special talents and there are books and resources on helping your Indigo child make use of all of his gifts :slight_smile:
     
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    Can I just say what am awesome Mom you are?
    You deserve an award : )

    On how to react to this, I would say use him as YOUR guide. You have a very smart kid! And regarding other people, I would empower him with confidence and tell him while some people may not approve, it's because they haven't yet learned, and you can teach them being gay is ok by being a very nice person. Until he's older (12ish), I don't think it needs to be any more complicated than that. For the pain that may follow from un-accepting people, I love this quote from The Help: 'You is kind. You is smart. You is important.', I would change the "is's" to "are's" and get it printed out on paper in a design he likes and put it on his wall. Every night go over it with him before he hops in bed, and remind him of it on the hard days.
     
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    Again, thank you all. You've been an unbelievable help for both my son and me. I've been keeping him updated on your posts and he said that it feels amazing knowing that there's so many great people out there who understand. Right now, he's pretty mellow about everything. I'm safe until hormones hit! My husband is still 'fine' with it all but says he won't take him seriously until he's 17/18. *sigh* I've actually always wondered about him. If he had any support at all when he was younger...

    So life is back to the 'normal' level of crazy. Thank you again!
     
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    17/18??? Really?

    Is that when your husband first became attracted to women? :roflmao:

    Seriously though, your husband is still a little in denial. As your son continues to be gay over the next several years, I think it's pretty unlikely that it will take him all the way until 17 to move out of denial.

    You should prepare yourself for the rest of the grieving process in advance, because stronger denial can sometimes be an indicator that the rest of the process will also be kind of intense (but not always). But I linked to an article about that in post #9 above.


    WAIT, are you saying you always wondered about your HUSBAND'S sexuality?
     
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    Yes. Yes, I have.
     
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    Why is that? Is it causing any problems? Do you fear that your husband isn't satisfied in your marriage? Are there sexual problems?

    We do think there is a genetic component. So family members of gay people are more likely to be gay than the general population.

    What has made you wonder about your husband's sexuality?
     
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    We married because we're best friends. And he was/is amazing with my daughter. Sex never was the focal part of our relationship. He never really had a sex drive. I had figured then that it was just the age difference, he's 12 years older then I, and that his drive was going down. In a lot of ways, our son was a lucky break. We've been married 10 years and are still best friends, but I can't remember the last time we had sex. It just doesn't happen. He blames lack of drive on diabeties meds. I've often wondered if he would have realized he was gay if his parents weren't so invasive and puritanical.

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    He has no interest in the female form, mine or any other. He obsesses about male friends, who are always good looking but 'breaks up' with them when they don't do what he expected. He's gentle, sweet and sensitive. The only relationship he's been able to sustain is with me.

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    And there's just the gut feeling. Same as when my son got old enough for his own personality.