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  1. ChristianHipstr

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    Ok… This will be kind of long, so please bear with me. I want to say beforehand that any advice is immensely appreciated. I hope I placed this in the right area since it contains issues with my sexuality and problems with coming out…

    So there’s this guy, we’ll call him C, and he’s the reason I even started seriously started questioning my sexuality… I have always thought of men as equally, or more, attractive than women. I just used to push these feelings aside, I mean, I couldn’t be bi or gay just because I thought a guy was attractive. But then I fell in love, and still am in love, with C. So I pretty much started questioning myself, I actually fell in love with a guy, so I had to be bi. Although, the longer I accepted this, the more and more I only saw myself being with only C or a man, and I’m slowly losing my attraction to women, it’s at around an 80% homo to 20% hetero ratio now. I honestly don’t have much of a problem with this, I’m very open minded but all the emotions confuse me, and the one thing I hate most in life is being confused, so that makes me slightly anxious and depressed. What’s really getting to me is the anxiety of telling my crush and also my grandma has really been curious about relationships lately. She keeps asking if me and my best friend are dating and how she’s such a cute girl and we’d make an amazing couple, as well as telling me about having sex and staying safe, etc. This really hurts me because it just adds to my confusion. She also keeps talking about great grandchildren and how I’ll be a great father. This tears me apart because I don’t want to tell her that I won’t have a wife to have children with, I’d feel like I was failing her… I, myself, don’t care if I’m gay. It’s a lot to get accustomed to, but I can’t change it and I’ll love who I love. Although I still feel terrible… I’ve been depressed and anxious lately, especially the past week. I’ve been really reserved and have literally lost 20 pounds the past week… I really need help with this because my grandma is already suspicious of why I never have a girlfriend while 90% of my friends are female, I’m usually really outgoing and active, and I can’t keep faking smiles, but I don’t want her thinking something is wrong. I’m a really, really bad liar and hate doing it, but I don’t want my family to know yet... Not until I know what I am for sure myself. I should add that I’m pretty sure she’ll be ok with me being gay. Her brother was gay and she was always ok with it and is fairly defending of them (my uncle is anti-homo and always makes mean remarks)

    Now, onto the point of my crush… He is, like I said, the reason I began questioning myself. He is the first guy I’ve actually developed a strong emotional attraction for. We never really have talked much outside of class, just due to very different agendas and lack of mutual friends. I’m busy with my emotional issues, court cases, and school work for next year; while he is busy with school and varsity football camp. I still don’t know if he is even interested in guys. He acts really straight, but then again so do I, but there are some factors I’ll list that make me think he is or isn’t. For starters I’ll say that we have chemistry together, and long story short, due to a bad example by the teacher and a class of teenagers I am jokingly considered “in the closet” in that class. C and I flirt a lot, or at least that’s how I see it and my friend agrees, so he is jokingly considered “my boyfriend”. Well, he tries to pull this homophobic act (me, my friend, and even the teacher thinks he tries a little “too hard”) and even though he has this homophobic act, he is way to ok with being considered my gay boyfriend and being added to the jokes, and at times even blushes… There was another instance where he said if he ever had a gay child, he’d ‘beat the gay out of them’, and that very same day he was really touchy with me and kept trying to hold my hand and I was just playfully swatting his hand away, but then he kneeled to tie his shoe and lost his balance. He grabbed onto my knee to catch himself, but immediately looked up (his face was really red) and said “no homo!”. He did have a girlfriend at this time for about a month. He never talked much about her and honestly didn’t seem too happy, because when he did talk about her it was just how she was being annoying and so hard to get together with and just wastes his money… Then she broke up with him one morning. I have him in my morning class, and I noticed he looked upset so I asked him what was wrong. At the time he just said “everything”, but I found out in chemistry that she broke up with him. He said he was crying in first period, but I never saw him doing much more that looking pouty. After he mentioned his breakup he put his arm around me and said “But that’s ok, because now we can be together!” hehe, I blushed so hard. Then that same week we were waiting to be dismissed. I was standing at the door talking to my friend, and another guy was there. C came up behind the guy and hugged him from behind and gave him a really short kiss on the back of his neck. I was both excited that this might be a factor to him liking guys, but also really jealous that it wasn’t me… Anyways, it wasn’t until he end of the school year that something else happened. It was the end of the week before finals, and he was absent that Thursday, and came back Friday. I was sitting in the back with him and he started talking about this girl he met on a messaging app and showed me half naked photos of here and said he was talking to her all day when he was sick… I know that it’s not my place to get mad, but he would have to be blind not to see any of the hints I drop him and not to suspect me having feeling for him. I’m really straight acting, but in this case I let my emotions get the better of me and got pissed off because felt really hurt… I was a cynical jerk and said something along the lines of “Wow, so you can exchange messages with some girl you’ve never met? Fucking good for you..”. Trust me, I’m almost never like that but I’m dealing with a lot in my family life and I just felt backstabbed by that (even though I know I shouldn’t..).. I walked away and was on the verge of tears by the time I got to my friend. She asked me what was wrong, but I didn’t tell her until after school. I pretty much had to let it out or I was going to lose my mind. She was very supportive and happy to have a gay best friend lol. But I digress. Things with me an C were still ok. We talked a little the next week, but not much because exams were going on.

    Now it’s summer and like I said, never had the resources or opportunity to see each other out of class, but I really need to tell him my feelings, it’s getting too hard to hold them in. I’ll have to text him when I do. I’ve already arranged to go over to my best friend’s house (I’ll have about 8 hour, we’re doing a Lord of the Rings marathon lol) for when I do tell him, because depending on how it goes, I’ll be really upset or really happy and I don’t want to give my grandma any more reason to be suspicious. Plus the support will be nice.

    As for how I’ll say it I think somewhere along these lines…
    Me: “Hey C, I really trust you, and was wondering if I could tell you something, but has to stay between us though. You ok with that?”
    His Response will probably be “ok” or “Of course, what’s up?”
    Me: “Well lately I’ve been really confused, but I’ve come to the conclusion that chem class is probably right. I’m not straight.”
    Then if he responds negatively to that, I’ll stop there. If he is passive about it, I’ll wait a few days then continue. If he is supportive or glad to hear it then I’ll continue to this:
    Me: “There’s something else I really need to get off my chest… I have feelings for you.”
    And I don’t know what to expect after that…

    So that’s what’s up with me :/ Please, please, please offer any advice you can on the whole situation, and feedback on how I plan on telling him will be appreciated as well. I’m sorry that was so long, but I’ve been bottling this up for too long…

    PS. I don't know if this title is the best, I couldn't think of something more clear. And I don't know if placed this in the right area. If any of you EC admins think it would get more support and be better defined somehow else, please feel free to move or change it if you can.
     
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    I don't have really any experience with coming out, but this sounds like a good idea. If he acts negatively, over time he might come to terms with you and except you. If this never happens don't feel offended, he might take it the wrong way. When you tell him, don't make it sound like a bad thing, act casual. When your telling him don't like half way through stop because you are scared what he might think, that will just make things worse. Keep us posted after you tell him. Good luck!!!
     
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    As far as how you plan to deal with "C", I don't really have anything to say. Seems like your solution is perfectly alright, although I'd deal away with the use of "probably".

    About your sexual orientation. Maybe you're still bi, maybe you're becoming increasingly more comfortable with man that you may find perhaps closer to being gay instead. You certainly wouldn't be the first who initially identified as bi because of attraction to both men and women and then find yourself losing your attraction to females entirely. That was my case as well.

    For now though, I don't think there's a problem with saying "I'm not sure how I feel about girls at the moment, but I know I like guys". If labels like "Bisexual" or "Homosexual" doesn't seem to fit you, well just call yourself "Waynesexual". At the end of the day, labels are just words and they might lead to confusion until you've truly settled down with your own feelings, so don't pay too much attention to them.

    Perhaps you should consider telling your grandmother though, especially if it really bothers you and you think she'll be fine with it. It can be unpleasant to have a parent or grandparent constantly bringing up something that makes you uncomfortable, so getting that out of the way can be helpful (and you might gain a source of support as well).
     
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    Thank you for the feedback, and I don't have much coming out experience either lol. I know I'm going to have to go all the way through when I tell him, that's what I'm afraid of :frowning2:

    Hefiel
    "Waynesexual" that's amazing lol! And yes, it does sound better with losing "probably" because I'm 100% sure I like guys at this point... I never have cared for labels, but it's just the confusion that gets to me. I don't have to know what to call myself, but I do have to know how I feel, and it's so hard to pinpoint it right now..

    There's one big reason holding me back from telling her... Even though she is more than likely going to be ok with it, she can be bipolar and very verbally abusive at time, and I hold no doubts that she will use it as ammo against me.
     
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    I can see why you're hesitating to tell your bipolar grandma then.

    I understand the confusion though. I spent pretty much 10-11 years of my life trying to figure out what I was feeling considering I was attracted emotionally to females and sexually to males which I brushed off all the time. I had only crushed on girls until last year. This year is actually the first year that I've actually looked up information about homosexuality, and that happened after I finally accepted myself. Probably in an attempt to avoid finding out my sexual orientation I've most likely unconsciously stayed away from looking up homosexuality, although I wasn't holding back on gay porn. Go figure :lol:

    As I grew older, things gradually got a little clearer for me and I eventually pretty much had no choice but to make sense of all of this. My attraction to females diminished over the years until it reached 0, and I was becoming more and more interested in males until the point where I finally said "Alright, I'm gay" to myself earlier this year, and it became increasingly more obvious when I began looking back on the past 10-11 years or so of my life that I had been in denial, just how many hints there were that I hadn't let myself see.

    I think that if you try too hard to try and figure out how you feel, you're not going to find an answer, so it may be best to give it some time as you might not be allowing yourself to see all the hints to make everything clear. Instead, you should just focus your attention elsewhere like on your crush (or a future crush).
     
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    Like I said, I have absolutely no problem being full on gay. I've looked up information on it ever since I seriously questioned myself and though a lot of it makes sense and suits me, I'm in a limbo of bisexuality and homosexuality. I'm not actively trying to figure it out, and I know it should settle itself out soon, but the problem is just when I feel like the mixed emotions will stop, the start back randomly or sometimes events like feeling a somewhat strong attraction to a female friend trigger it. But even when that happens, it either feels wrong or completely diminishes shortly.
     
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    I know that feel, bro (*hug*)

    Do you feel like some of your emotions come from the anxiety that you WANT to be with C?

    Let's put it this way. If I were to make an educated guess, I would say that C is at least bisexual. Actions speak louder than words, and just because he makes those homophobic remarks doesn't mean a cent. I think he wants to disassociate since he doesn't want to get found out or discouvered that he might not be straight. He might BE straight, who knows? But from the examples you've listed, I concur that he is not straight. I don't he knows how to handle his emotions or deal with the fact that he could be something other than straight. Did he say why he broke up with his girlfriend and who dumped who? You said that he said "at least we got each other, etc. etc.". Some of my best friends are straight males but I would NEVER compare my bonds with them to that of my boyfriend's. They're my friends/brother, not my secret lover...ew ><. Anyway,that doesn't seem normal to me (for someone to say that after he broke up with his girlfriend and "suddenly" be happy again and be cheerful saying that).

    You, Wayne,on the other hand...I can understand why you feel frustrated. You have feelings for this guy, no doubt, and you don't want to tell him "C, I'm gay (when you're not even sure). If you knew 110% sure you were gay, then there'd be no questions.

    I mentioned this before. Go to a counselor. They can help you delve into why you feel confused. That's their job! You're 16, and it's normal to feel confused at this age (I was confused at 16 as well). If that doesn't float your boat, then feel free to talk to me, bro. I've had the same problems in the past and I've gone to counseling for help. It does work.

    Your bud, elpanachevere (*hug*)
     
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    Hey Wayne. (*hug*)

    You seem to be in a good place regarding your sexual orientation at the moment. It's normal for some people to have some confusion. I think you should continue to stop worrying about labels for the time being. As you've said it's something that's going to sort itself out in time.

    Speaking from a somewhat similar experience, I know when I have a crush on a guy that my attention seems to focus more on him than other men. Someone who might catch my eye under normal circumstances, might not do so when I'm crushing. The same thing could be similar for you here, and your crush on C could be leading you to have stronger feelings toward other guys in general. Alternatively, you could be growing more and more comfortable with your sexual orientation, and as this happens you identify more as gay than as bisexual.

    In the end though, as you know, it's not that big of a deal. You know who and what you're attracted to at any one moment in time, and that's what matters. ...and right now, that's C.

    I can't really comment on whether or not he's gay or bisexual. It's something that is impossible to guess, even from what you've written. Even if someone fills every gay stereotype that isn't a 100% method to detect gay people. This is even MORE true for people who aren't a walking gay stereotype checklist. Guessing his sexuality could lead you to false hope, but is it possible? Sure.

    However, even if he is secretly gay or bisexual, that doesn't mean he'll be comfortable coming out to you. This is true even if you come out to him.

    There are a whole range of things that could happen if you come out to him. I'm sure you've thought about everything that could possibly go wrong. However, I'm curious as to how you'd handle the big two...

    What will you do if he reacts negatively to you coming out? You're already out to one friend, are you out to any more people? It's important to have people you can fall back on for emotional support if this happens.

    Also, what will you do if he tells other people about your sexual orientation? (He could do this even if he supports you.) This doesn't have to be done maliciously because some people like to gossip, so he might tell someone under the impression they could also keep a secret. However, that person could then tell other people and... How comfortable are you with more people knowing that you might be gay or bisexual?

    If you're comfortable with these two potential risks, then I see no reason for you not to tell him that you're not 100% straight. If he accepts you and takes it well, then it could lead you to having a deeper and more serious friendship with him. However, of course, it doesn't mean that he wants to have anything beyond friendship with you.

    I think the step-by-step approach you want to take things is a good move. It means you're less likely to get hurt, but it also gives you the opportunity to feel out the waters before you dive in head first.

    In the end, I don't think you should be afraid to take risks. You never get anywhere in life without risking something. So, if you feel you're prepared and ready then I think you should go for it. If nothing else, it's one more stepping stone toward authenticity.

    Sorry that I don't have any better advice than this... because, I honestly think you have the best handle on the situation that you could have, and you seem to be heading in the right direction. The only word of caution that I would give you is to make sure you have people (like your female friend) that you can turn to if things don't go the way you'd like them to go. It helps to have that emotional support, which will help you recover quickly.
     
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    That's definitely a good part of them. I feel like if I'm actually able to be with a guy it would help clear up all these emotions, plus, I just really like spending time with him and would like to be in a relationship with him, so it wouldn't be a "test" situation. The point that it would help me clear up my emotions by actually allowing me to try a gay relationship is just a bonus in my view.

    His girlfriend broke up with him. I'd see them together and he'd talk about her... they didn't seem too happy. He told me she said something along the lines of "I just don't feel like you want this to work as much as I do", and he complained how he apparently did, etc. Although as for him putting his arm around me and saying that, I should remind you all this stuff is considered a "joke" in that class, so it confuses me on whether or not he meant in more than that. I do have to say though, and this sounds stupid and weird, but it wasn't like a "bro to bro" feeling when he put is arm around me. He did it for like 30 seconds, and it felt like he meant it, partially because he was so relaxed about it and kind of rubbed my shoulder. Plus, he didn't even care that I kind of melted into him. :icon_redf

    As for my anger, I just hate more than anything on this Earth, not knowing what to do or having the answers... I feel as though I need to be with a guy in a relationship, at least to the point of a kiss (that's what i feel the most emotion in... kissed 2 girls, only felt something with one of them) before I can decide my sexuality in full.

    I will definitely be trying a counselor. And I can't send private messages yet, but thank you for being here :slight_smile:

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    Damn your just good at this stuff, ever thought of going into psychology? lol

    I have to agree with the sexuality, and like I said, I feel that once I actually experience a same sex relationship, I will be able to clear things up a lot easier.

    I want to add that he is a walking straight checklist... Other than what he's done with me. He wants to be in military, plays on varsity football team, etc. But then again, I'm a war/ war strategy geek, have a weapon collection, and so on. So I know from myself, you never know who could be in the closet.

    As for if things go wrong, my two best friends know, one of which lives walking distance from my house. My sisters know and even though one lives in Alaska, the other has promised if I ever need her she'll be on her way no matter what, do I'm good on support. It's worrying though, that in my past with anxiety/ depression I've always ate, which led to weight problems. Although nowadays, especially in the past week, I don't eat, at all. i mentioned that I've lost a unhealthy amount of weight in an unhealthy amount of time.. Well I feel that if things go bad that would continue, as would my secluding myself, and sadly my friends can't be there 24/7.

    I highly doubt he will tell anyone. Like me, he doesn't like gossiping at all, or hearing it. He's just pretty reserved and knows when not to say something. And even if he does, at this rate I'm on the verge of telling my family anyways with these problems with my grandma. Also, I'm well aware that he may want nothing more than friendship even if he does accept me. I would prefer that over him not accepting me, and as long as I still get to spend time with him, I'll be happy. Although I almost feel like I'd be in the position of Raravera's friend.. I'd be feeling and wanting something he may not want to return, and I honestly don't know how I'd deal with those feelings...

    Your advice, as always, was great, man! And I really don't feal like I have that much control on this, but you guys keep saying so :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

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    Correction: "...Hate more than anything, not knowing what to do or NOT having the answers."
     
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    Toujours ici pour t'aider, mon bon ami :slight_smile: (*hug*)
     
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    Thanks :slight_smile:
    But you asked about the girlfriend and what he said after... What do you think about that?

     
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    It sounds like you're on the best path you can be on at the moment. I want to address some other issues...

    I thought you were exaggerating. Did you really lose 20 pounds in one week? That is a dangerous amount of weight loss. However, it's normal to lose your appetite when depressed or extremely stressed out. It's also normal to crave food - especially those high in fat or sugar. Binge eating and starving yourself is problematic, though.

    One way to help with binge eating is to make sure you have some healthy food on hand to eat when you find yourself having the urge. Raw fruit is a good example: grapes, apples, pears, raspberries, etc. The sweetness of fruit helps curb a sugar craving, and also lets you avoid beating yourself up for eating when you feel the urge to eat.

    Also, avoid having food nearby where you can graze. Require yourself to eat at a table, away from TV, computers, and other distractions. This will help prevent you from overeating.

    An interesting trick that can sometimes work is to brush your teeth when you feel a craving come on. That works for some people.

    As for NOT eating a way to help deal with that is to make sure there IS food nearby so that you can graze whenever you feel like it. Fix yourself a bag of granola, fruit, some low calorie homemade oatmeal cookies, or something for you to munch on a little bit at a time. If it's sitting right there next to you, and you're watching TV or on the computer, just casually reach over and begin eating a little. You'll eat way more than you think.

    If your weight continues to have this radical fluctuation you need to see a doctor, because it's dangerous. The body isn't meant to gain or lose weight that quickly - a healthy amount of weight loss is around 1.5 pounds per week. If someone is super morbidly obese they may lose weight faster in the beginning, but that should eventually level off.

    As for coming out to your friend, you seem rather prepared. Emotionally, it can always be difficult coming out because you're always facing the possibility of rejection. However, since you have people who are around you who will support you a lot of the things I'd worry about aren't really a factor. So, even if the absolute worst happens, yes it will suck for a time and hurt like hell, but you'll recover and move on. It's just one of those situations that time fixes on its own.

    When it comes to getting over your friend, one of the best ways to do that is to get yourself busy with other things. Find activities that you enjoy and get involved. Strive to meet new people. ...and if possible, put yourself in a situation where you're likely to meet MORE gay people your age. This increases the likelihood that you will be able to find someone who will return your feelings, which will in turn help you move on rather quickly. It always helps when you can move on to a new object of your affection - it's easier than dealing with a broken heart.

    Distance between the both of you, as well, will help.

    So long as you avoid being lonely and inactive, you'll recover rather quickly. One of the worst things you could do is to isolate yourself from others and wallow in grief all alone with nothing to do. You will just constantly obsess over it, and it would be the emotional equivalent of picking a scab off a wound to prevent it from healing.

    This is one of the reasons having people to turn to is important. You can talk to someone, have yourself an initial good cry to let it all out, and then do whatever it is you have to do to pick yourself up and move on.

    As for your friends actions, I encourage you to not read into them. It's very easy to read what we want to see and feel into the actions of other people. This doesn't mean that your feelings and intuition is wrong, you just don't want to give yourself false hope by seeing "proof" that may not be proof at all. Doing our best to limit cognitive bias is always important, so we can keep the proper perspective.
     
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    I know the weight loss is very unhealthy and I, sadly, wasn't kidding. I know that it needs to stop and thoigh I do try to eat, I'm so anxious that every time I get a significant portion of a meal in, it flies back out... That and my general behavioral changes are really starting to make my family suspicious as to what's wrong, and as I mentioned, I'm a supremely bad liar..

    And I am aware that I could easily be giving myself false hope, but that's one of the reasons I need to get this over with soon. I try not to, but i still ens up dreaming about him and thinking things I shouldn't and it is getting mt hopes up. And then I just make myself feel worse because I have to tell myself no and that it probably will never happen...
    Once again Aldrick, you are seriously good as this :slight_smile: and thank you for helping with this

    Ooo, also wanted to ask, what do you think I should do about my grandma at this time? She gets more and more suspicious/ worried daily and it's getting harder to hide my depression and weight loss.. please also keept in mind my response to Hefiel :/

    Edit: you mentioned places more likely to find gays my age.. example? I've been clueless on that one for a while but if you have any kind of general area to throw out there ill try that out :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
     
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    If you feel comfortable you should speak to a doctor. Talk about your extreme fluctuation in weight, high level of anxiety, etc. I would discuss with him avoiding any medications that you'd have to take over a lengthy period of time, but if he has something that can temporarily reduce your anxiety it may be worth considering. What would be really beneficial, as previously discussed, would be to see a therapist - preferably a therapist experienced or specialized in LGBT issues.

    To see if one is near you go here. Type in your Zip Code, then look to the left hand side under "Sexuality Gender" (in bold), and select Gay. Look around and see what they're specialized in so you get an idea of who might be the most appropriate for you... and hopefully at least one of them takes your insurance.

    If you need a referral you might be able to get one from your doctor.

    Dreaming and fantasizing like that is completely normal. Everyone does that when they have a crush on someone.

    However, yes it is problematic when your hopes start to go up, because there is a danger of having them crushed. You're aware of it, though, which helps a lot, and you're moving in the right direction.

    Build support elsewhere in your family first, and let them know what you're about to do so they can stand behind you. When you eventually come out to her don't do it alone, but have at least another person there to give you emotional support. Since you think she'll be fine with it, the coming out part isn't what you need to worry about the most. It's the later emotional abuse that you'll suffer at her hands.

    Unfortunately, I know these types of people all too well. They can be difficult to deal with, primarily because they're attacking you specifically to hurt you. The best thing you can do in the heat of the moment is to say something like, "Your opinion is irrelevant." Then walk away. Put as much physical distance as possible between the both of you. I know for me personally, if I don't do something like this my anger will begin to take over very quickly. Since it sounds like you live in a city or a suburban neighborhood, going next door to your friend may be helpful. As a general rule, even the biggest of royal assholes don't like to be seen that way by those outside of the home, and thus would be reluctant to follow you and continue their verbal assault in front of other people.

    Talking to someone you trust is very important. Being able to make an emotional connection with someone else, and share what you're going through helps - especially if they understand and have been or go through something similar.

    Having a therapist to turn too would also be very helpful, as they can provide you with some proactive strategies for specific situations. They could even act as a mediator between you and your grandmother, helping you convey how you're feeling and serving as a buffer between her and her emotional outbursts.

    Understand that when someone is being abusive that they're trying to break your will. Some of the worst abusers will see your individuality as a threat and will try to destroy it, and if they can't then they'll try to undermine it. Having a stronger sense of who you are, what you think, what you believe, helps avoid being worn down like this over time. Trust in your own judgement, and don't turn to them for approval - ever.

    In fact, let me repeat that. Never ever turn to someone who is emotionally abusive for approval. This would be the worst mistake you could make in this type of situation, because they will use it as leverage against you. So, when you eventually come out to your grandmother, don't do it in hopes of receiving her love and affection. Do it for yourself - because you want to be honest about who you are, and don't want to have to hide it. Creating mental emotional barriers between you and her could be helpful. All of this means that her thoughts and opinions will matter to you less - which means they will hurt you less.

    Avoid showing someone who is emotionally abusive your vulnerabilities. They feed off that like parasites and will exploit them to their utmost to hurt you. So if things go badly with your friend, you wouldn't want to turn to her for support.

    Finally, accepting her for who and what she is very important. Often times with people we care about we try to imagine them how we'd like them to be instead of who they are. For example, I'd love for my father to be a more emotionally affectionate person, who was capable of connecting with me beyond a very emotionally distant and superficial level. However, that's just not who he is as a person. Accepting him for that fact and moving on is important. The same is true for your grandmother. Accept her for what she is and move on, and don't expect more from her than she can possibly give. This can be a hard lesson to learn in life, but people can't give you more than they're capable of giving. This is why you need to surround yourself with people who support and care for you. Having that support to fall back on frees you from having to emotionally depend on someone who can't give you what you want.

    This can be difficult to answer, because it depends entirely on where you live and what is nearby. My suggestion is to find the nearest LGBT Center for you and call them up. If there are things going on involving LGBT Teens they probably know about it, and may even be hosting it. Likewise, calling local PFLAG Chapters might help, because even if there aren't events and the like being held, you might be able to connect with parents and families who have LGBT Teens.
     
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    I looked at the therapists in my area, sadly they all only take cash. I do think I can convince my grandmother, since the woman is also considered a family relations therapist, that I want to solely talk about problems with my parents. And I could possibly even email her beforehand and explain my situation so that she doesn't mention her skills in LGBT teen issues to my grandmother.

    I'm sorry to hear about your relationship with your dad :frowning2: Your not alone though, a lot of people including myself have unfavorable relations with our fathers..

    You said to have someone with me when I tell her, but I don't know if I'll have that luxery. Other than my grandmother, I live with my great grandfather, who is extremely conservative; uncle, who is a flaring ball of rage to homosexuals; and mom, who is a drunk drug abusing psychotic... Honestly, despite the inevitable abuse, my grandmother would be my first candidate to tell... I do have my sisters, but they are my half-sisters and my father's... so my grandmother never really liked them and bringing them overnis just a bad idea, especially for an emotional moment like coming out.

    And I have tried looking for any LGBT group within a 50 mile radius of where I live, and found nothing.

    As I said, I have 2 friends and my sisters. Although my sisters are excepting and supportive, they are uncomfortable talking about it... my friends on the otherhand don't mind at all, it's just that more time I spend with my friends, the more my grandma thinks we're a dating couple, and I just don't want her getting the wrong idea...
     
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    Don't worry about giving your grandma the wrong idea. When she brings it up, just tell her the truth: "They're just friends."

    When I was growing up most of my friends were female as well, and I used to get the same issue from my mother. No matter how much I told her they were just friends, I was never allowed to visit their homes because she was certain that it was going to lead to sex. If only she knew then what she knows now. :rolle:

    I think your idea on getting to the therapist is a good idea. You can even use your feelings over your family issues as an excuse for what is wrong with you right now. This gives you an easy cover, and it's no doubt something that weighs heavily upon you anyway. So it's not exactly a lie.

    When you're ready to come out to your grandmother, you can always do it with the therapist present.

    You should also look toward expanding your social circle if possible. Making more friends and coming out to them gives you an even greater outlet outside of your family. This will help you tremendously.

    I understand that it can be really, really, really tough when it comes to being a gay teenager. I'm sorry that something wasn't more close. I grew up in a small town with no local resources as well, so I know what that's like. Without the internet I don't know what I would have done - it was a life saver (literally).

    On the bright side of things, in a couple of more years you'll be preparing for college. So, that'll give you the opportunity to really step out. (As well as beginning to liberate yourself from your family.)

    (*hug*)
     
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    I've said that. She thinks I "protest too much" anout dating my friends or girls I general... she just thinks I protest for the wrong reason haha.

    I as well grew up in a small rural town up untill the time I was 13, in which we moved to the suburbs of Houston to support my great grandmother's failing health.

    I get what your saying with using my parent problems as an excuse, but my grandma knows better... I've dealth with those problems since I was 5 and have become quite resilient to such matters. Emotionaly and physicaly I'm probably the strongest in the family and she knows that. So I may be able to pull it off as an excuse to "talk to someone" (therapist) about it, but she wouldn't buy that it's causing me to act so out of whack.

    As for improving my social circle, im working on that lol. Im the kind of person to have a few very close friend rather than many that I don't trust due to the fact that I have many mental barriers and am picky with who I trust and associate myself with... but i can drive now and am able to spend more time with those close friends :slight_smile:

    I actually, after my junior year, will have more than enough credits to graduate and start college. I will still be finishing high school throughout my senior year, but I am thinking of also attending a local junior college during that time to get my freshman courses over with. That way I'll be able to go and stay at a main campus sooner. Speaking of which.. the school I'd like to attend is a baptist campus, and I was wondering if they can refuse admittancd if I'm openly gay? If you want to know the school, it's Baylor University. I have done my research and don't see anything about it, but I've heard quite a few rumours.
     
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    Unfortunately Baylor is a privately funded university. That means that they can discriminate on anything and hire who THEY see fit (since they're not federally funded).

    I suggest you find another college.
     
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    I agree with ElPanaChevere. Ditch Baylor University. You want to go to a place where you can be out and proud, and it's not going to happen there. Here are a couple of news stories that might interest you.

    Story One.

    Story Two.

    Avoid Christian Universities like the plague. Leaving behind your family and going to college is going to be the first time in your life that you're really going to have a chance to be yourself openly. You won't have that chance if you go to a place like Baylor - you will only be forced to stay in the closet.

    However, you're definitely on the right road. Get to college as fast as you can.

    You didn't mention whether or not you were still in the Houston area, but if you are there are definitely some things out there for you. Here is the Houston LGBT Community Center, and here is the Houston Chapter of PFLAG.

    I'd encourage you to call or e-mail these places for information if you're still in the Houston area.

    As for your Grandma continuously saying stuff like that, it's possible that she already suspects that you're not completely straight, if not gay. On the other hand, she could just be trying REALLY hard to push you into dating. Or she could just assume you're being really shy, and that you have a crush on one or more of them, but are afraid to ask them out... so she's trying to give you little nudges.

    There could be a whole range of thinking behind her actions... or no thinking at all, she could just be meddling for the sake of meddling. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: Hell, if you blush when she says it she could be saying it just to get that type of reaction out of you.

    If they're just little offhanded comments, they're easy to ignore. I've often brushed things off like that by being a smart ass and getting a laugh out of people. I'd probably just tell her I didn't want to play in the sandbox with little girls, and needed a real woman with extensive sexual experience and an even more extensive bank account to handle my high maintenance needs.

    That's basically what I told my entire family all these years - both immediate and extended. It usually always gets a laugh, and people forget about the probing questions they were asking.

    I alternated between that and flattery depending on the individual. One of my aunts really loved to be flattered, so I'd tell her something like... "You know you're the only woman I need in my life, and you're more than enough to make anyone happy." ...and she'd eat it up, and forget all about her probing.

    Just follow something like that up with a question, and the subject changes quickly. For example, I'd say something like the above to my aunt, and while she's still going "Awww..." I'm starting to ask about my cousins (her kids) which changes the topic entirely to someone she'd much rather talk about (herself and her family).

    I highly encourage you to do what you need to do to get to a LGBT supportive therapist. I've been in therapy for over a year, and it's done wonders for me.
     
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    After reading those so do I... It's sad though, that one of our greatest family friends who has known my great-grandfather for decades, is on the board of regents there and wants me to attend (he's looked into my academic records, and generally just thinks I'm a really good kid among today's society). I do know that he is extremely conservative and religious. His daughter is lesbian, and though he still talks to her, has an extreme amount of shame. So I can associate his behavior into an image of an entire staff with such feelings? Ya, I'll pass. Honestly, with my grades and extracurricular achievements, I know I have plenty of options.

    I currently live in Sugar Land, the suburbs of Houston. I'm actually moving this Tuesday to the outskirts of Sugar LAnd, so I'll be farther from the actual Houston area. I still studied these websites and think I will definitely attend at least one of there meetings but I must ask. The LGBT Community Center sounds like it is more so for an adult audience? Is that true, or do they usually have Teen meetings as well? And the PFLAG sounds a lot like it's for support of the family of said LGBT person. I saw that they had LGBT resources, but in their meeting descriptions it implied a majority of discussion was based on the family. I will, undoubtedly, talk to my sister and see if she'd like to attend one with me. Until then I will take your advice and Email them for more information on accessible support for a gay teen.

    Hahaha, ya... She very well might expect something I mean here's a list of red flags on me:
    -I have predominantly female friends
    -I've only had one girlfriend, it lasted 2 weeks, and now we're best friends.
    -I rarely check girls out
    -I cook, and I'm a neat freak
    I still don't think she expects my attraction to men... Her comments on the girls seem pretty genuine and nosy. I think she just thinks I'm to old to never have had a relationship and is curious and pushy to get me in one..

    I personally don't think this is red flag, but people say so.. I'm very nice and usually always happy. I ,quite literally, make a terrible asshole. I can make sarcastic comments, but never in a demeaning manner to others. And I blush when she makes some comment like a guy on TV being cute or something lol. The other day I was annoyed with my uncle (whom I share a room with) and went to go draw in the storage closet (it's big, empty, and peaceful)... When I walked out she was walking by and said "Uh oh, look who's coming out of the closet!". I wanted to laugh at the irony and vomit from the anxiety right then, even though she meant it in a completely joking manner. Other than this she never hints at any curiosity of me being bi, gay, or whatever I am. And trust me, if she thought I was, she'd be sticking her nose all up in my business. Although, I'm afraid this will start happening when she looks more into my behaviour recently.

    As for ending the conversations or changing subjects, I am generally very busy. Whether it is work (I'm a lifeguard), my summer assignments for school, or plans with friends, I almost always have an excuse to be somewhere else if things get too "analytical" on my relationships... I'm just afraid that soon she will look too far into it and start to wonder "Is he not dating girls for a reason?". And even though I have 16 digit locks on my phone and computer, she could still pull up a record of my texts and see a lot of evidence there...
     
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