Thanks etc, with the great support on these forums I am out to everyone except my grandparents. Don't really care to tell them anyway, and my mom confessed while she still loves me, she would rather I did not tell my grandparents. Had to agree there. only met with one negative reaction, aI expected it. He is pretty close minded, but he is a good friend and I felt he should know. Probably won't hear from him much, if it all.anymore. thanks again ec