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General News Pedophilia Now Classified As A Sexual Orientation

Discussion in 'Current Events, World News, & LGBT News' started by BiPenguin, Oct 29, 2013.

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  1. BiPenguin

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    I can see them blaming us for this. I don't even see the definition as seeking to legalise the act of child molestation but making specialist definitions for their own professional work some clumsy reverse psychology that cannot be successfully applied to pedophiles. Watch the nutters use it.

     
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    The thing that gets me, aside from the general grossness, is that it doesn't make sense. If attraction to minors is an orientation, then what do we call ourselves if we're attracted to adults? Pedophiles will typically have a gender preference/identity. That should define their orientation. The fact that they go after children is an entirely different issue.
     
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    Yeah I'm not sure if age-related attraction falls into the realm of what most people would call an orientation. Although to be fair I can't think of a reason why the orientation descriptor should be reserved for talking about gender and sex.
     
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    are we going backward again? I thought we're making progress here. Might as well bring back child labor and selling kids /sarcasm
     
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    If we're going to point to APA as proof that homosexuality is not a mental illness, then we have to respect their decision with pedophilia. That profession has done immense harm at times, but they also work directly with pedophile clients, whereas i have never met anyone who's admitted to this. The APA obviously has more expertise.

    It does seem to me though that intuitively many of the same arguments can be made. Look at the extent some try to stop their impulses, including as far as self-castration. The same exact thing can be said, why would anyone choose to be attracted to kids? As for it being something permanent that they're born with, as we think of orientation, I've no idea, but again i have to defer to researchers and doctors.
     
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    ... I do not approve.
    Seems pretty risky, including pedophilia as an orientation. Does that mean hebephilia and epebophilia are going to be orientations now, too?
    The chance that it will merely tar the name of LGBT is pretty high.
     
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    What I don't understand in that Paedophillia is a risk of harming others since a minor can't give consent. It is not healthy and considering most paedos have hetrosexual adult relationships at the same time its not really an orientation

    Homosexuals like me can give consent! Unless you are into extreme kink then there is no harm to come from being gay or bi/
     
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    Just when i thought my day couldn't get any worse, people already confuse homosexuality with pedophilia this is not helping
     
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    pedophilla is vastly different from lgbt and heterosexuality in that it is impossible for pedophillic acts to be consensual, because the targets of pedophillia cannot consent.

    it is a false equvilancy.

    sorry if anyone already posted this, but it is late at night, and I am too exhausted the read the thread before turning in, but still wanted to make sure the distinction is noted. sorry if it already was.

    a pedophile is not attracted to a person, they are attracted to an age. they dont molest children because the children are beautiful, they do it cause the children are children.
     
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    This has been brewing in mental health circles for a number of years now.

    I don't necessarily see this as going backwards, because nobody (at least, nobody with any credibility) is remotely advocating allowing pedophilic activity or relationships. My understanding is that the intent here is to allow a more compassionate look at people who are struggling with feelings that, according to some of the research in the field, is something just as hardwired as homosexuality.

    So by recognizing it as a disorder, we open the door to finding ways to deal with it.

    It's a very complicated issue, with a lot of hot-button potential to it, and you know the religious crazies are going to have a field day (nevermind that so many religious crazies are closet pedophiles.) I don't have a clue what the right solution is here, but I do think that openly addressing what many researchers and therapists have been saying for years is probably a good thing.
     
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    *sigh* I thought I'd be seeing this picture.

    Pedophile =/= child molester. Much like the color red =/= burgundy.

    What I mean here is that logically and statistically, if someone is a pedophile, it doesn't inherently mean that they're GOING to rape/molest kids. There are plenty of pedophiles out in the world that know that if they act on their lust, then it would bring hell to them. They'd be in a relationship that's non-consensual, not to mention they'd be lynched, let alone talked down to.

    It's like saying being gay automatically means that you're going to go around State street naked, waving a rainbow flag and trying to fuck everybody around that's the same sex as you.

    Now with that being said, I'll agree with people like Emberstone on one thing: Logically, it shouldn't be categorized as a sexual orientation, but rather a fetish. That's really what it is. Anybody who is aware they have a fetish would know what that is, and pedophilia fits perfectly in there. You're not attracted to a specific sex or gender, but rather something else specific about them. Chubby chasing is a fetish that's centered around how fat someone is, and scat is a fetish that's centered around feces. In this case, it's a fetish surrounded by a specific age range.
     
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    The problem here is that you should only get intimate with people on the deepest level who are intellectually and emotionally equal to you. For this case that is impossible and regardless of the cause it falls under abuse.

    The key here is to teach people how to seek and gain core level understanding, when you truly understand something on the deepest level, letting go becomes effortless. However somehow the medical and education community has missed this lesson and its causing all kinds of chaos.
     
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    I personally think that this is a good thing. As it might help pedos get help. I don't like this mob culture against pedos. Someone can't help what their attracted to. And there is a big difference between someone who rapes a child and someone who is by no choice of their own attracted to one. But to be fair is it that big of a problem to have. As I'm attracted to people all the time who I couldn't never have a relationship or sex with but thats fine.
     
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    This makes absolute sense to me.

    This is also a fair comment.

    I think some people make the wrong conclusion that because we describe pedophilia as an 'orientation', that we might contemplate giving the same rights and consideration as other 'alternative' orientations (such as LGBT).

    It's not the case. It's merely a descriptor of a what we understand to be an innate and unchangeable characteristic of oneself. But as a society, we've decided what types of sexual relationships are okay or not okay by appeal to mutual consent as a requisite, and this clearly rules out pedophilia.
     
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    Everyone has a vested interest. It drives me nuts.

    "Science" is no more impartial than politics or religion anymore. People collect data in a certain way, report it in a certain way, and then it's reported to us in a different way. You take a look at who runs wikipedia, and suddenly the gross bias in a lot of their articles becomes apparent. There's tabloid-esque reporting on certain people, totally ignoring facts and the article is sealed and signed with 'balanced article'.

    I feel frustrated, because honestly, I don't trust anything anyone says. Right wingers will obviously reject this and say something stupid. But, like it or not, LGBT activists also make equally spurious and biased claims - without factual backing.
    People quote only the stats that suit them, and read around stats they don't like.

    I suppose all this means it that I, personally, am totally disillusioned with anything I read. Someone always has a vested interest, and we can never know who exactly is funding what or for what reason.

    It's chilling really. I feel it's impossible to know anything without actually doing first-hand research. But i don't want to go and talk to paedophiles. I probably should though, if I want to know the actual truth.

    The only thing I believe to be true is human arrogance. I can't help but feel we make conclusions about a great deal of things which we simply lack the science to actually prove.
     
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    If you're trying to imply that simply by teaching a pedophile to understand their situation on a deep level, or that if you teach them to relate to people their own age on a deep level that they'll be able to effortlessly let go of pedophilia... that unfortunately simply isn't true. Blair, our staff social worker, has talked a lot about the research in this field, and it's a pretty abysmal circumstance. Virtually none of the pedophiles want to be attracted to younger people, and would give anything to be able to change. And many are willing to try any and everything... usually to no avail.

    Please be careful what you imply, particularly with an issue as sensitive as this one.
     
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    Well... I don't honestly see a problem with this. As others have mentioned, attraction to children does not mean that person will act on that attraction. They don't choose that attraction, any more than a heterosexual or homosexual person does. I don't care what its classified as, so long as no one is getting hurt.
     
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    Let's be honest here: the blaming will be done by people who already thought homosexuality is wrong anyway. They might use this as ammunition, but that's just because it's a convenient stone to sling.
    I don't really think that anyone who thinks that being gay is OK is going to look at the DSM and suddenly make a 180.

    People should just accept that it isn't always black-and-white. Many seem to assume that if something is not forbidden, it's obligated. Or that if something's not wrong, it's right. I think it's OK to say "hey, these people exist and they can't do anything about it", without allowing them to act on their inclinations. Who they are, and why it's a bad idea to act on it are two different things.
     
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    I gave this link to a friend of mine who is a Psychotherapist...I think I got the term right. This was the reply I received;

     
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    So glad someone said this. As part of my internship I interviewed two pedophiles. One was active and one was none. Needless to say the active pedophile was serving a sentence but in both cases there was deep shame and a sense of "what is wrong with me" much in the way some in the LGBT community feel this when they realize they don't fit the so-called 'sociatel norm.' Bear in mind I am not in any way comparing LGBT or homosexuality to pedophilia but sadly this can be inborne in people and can also result for their own painful and traumatic pasts.

    I am not condoning what the gentlemen I interviewed did, but I think it's wonderful to focus on and help those who have these intense feelings.

    Foxface
     
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