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LGBT News Pedophilia as Sexual Orientation - Sources?

Discussion in 'Current Events, World News, & LGBT News' started by jargon, Oct 30, 2013.

  1. jargon

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    This thread is intended to discuss the credibility of claims that the DSM-5 is categorizing pedophilia as a sexual orientation. I wanted to move this question away from the other thread on this topic because I figured it would get drowned out by unrelated responses. (If that's bad form, then my apologies to the mods).

    Here's another articles dealing with the same topic:

    Does the New DSM Call Pedophilia an “orientation”?

    This is an article from a Catholic website, which claims that the DSM-5 does NOT classify pedophilia as an orientation. If it seems strange that I picked an article from a Catholic cite, I agree - my excuse is this: there don't seem to be any large-scale, credible news organizations covering this. The article cited in the other thread (http://www.neontommy.com/news/2013/10/pedophilia-sexual-orientation) is from "Neon Tommy," a student-run web news source. I don't want to rag on college journalism or anything, but its perfectly plausible that some instances of bad reporting could go on here. I found many other articles making the same claim as the "Neon Tommy" article, but all seem to refer back to "Neon Tommy" for evidence, and none are large-scale news organizations.

    Basically, I wanted to put this thread up because I'm suspicious that the "Neon Tommy" article is just confused, and to see if others could find more information to support or refute my suspicion. Particularly, if anyone has access to the DSM-5 entry, and could verify this for us, that would be fantastic. If this is just an epidemic of bad source-checking it would eliminate the need for a lot unnecessary worry and debate.
     
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    Pedophilia can't be an orientation, as it's not based on gender. Psychologists believe it like this? It's just a fetish, or if you please, "paraphilia." I wouldn't go so far as legitimizing it by calling it an orientation.
     
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    Why doesn't the dsm-5 site search work? I've typed in some stuff, not just pedophilia, but it never finds anything. Does it work for anybody else?
     
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    Unfortunately, I believe you have to be registered, which costs money. The DSM-5 manual itself is generally over $100, so I don't imagine they'd give it away for free online.
     
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    lol wow that's ridiculous. But thanks for the info, man. :slight_smile:
     
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    Well that's certainly an interesting turn of events.

    It is possible that the issue is under discussion, or that the change is a technical one from what the previous DSM said, and so it isn't considered particularly newsworthy.

    Or it's possible that the whole thing is something someone made up. Certainly the underlying issue is one that has been in discussions for years, and the literature on the subject, while still controversial, seemed, last I looked, to be leaning toward a biological or otherwise hardwired basis (unverified meditation practices notwithstanding.)

    IF someone wanted to call APA, I'm sure they could get a clear answer on it pretty quickly.
     
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    This is the whole, homosexual mental disorder all over again. Except, the consensus, among even homophobics, is that pedos are morally and ethically wrong. Even if they never acted upon their desires. It seams like this is all politics. The next step, God forbid, is pedo rights and pedo marriage.
     
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    This
     
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    There is, at its best, a 0% chance of this happening. However it will lead to some collateral damage against GSM's if we are grouped in any way with pedos.

    It is worth mentioning though that we did have a thread on pedophilia, and I don't believe the condition itself to be wrong. Acting on it with actual minors though? Never ever.
     
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    I think pedophilia-predators is a "fetish" or "preference" but no sexual orienation
    1-It would imply that all predators are bi and like any gender.
    2-I like older guys but that is not a sexual orientation.

    When I watched "To Catch a predator" I realised that they all looked married.

    They are attracted to adults but minors just are "special" - a fetish.

    Even if it was a sexual orientation,anyone should kill themselves before hurting a child like that to get their desires.
     
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    If orientation is based on Gender, then it's not one. But I think that it's something that you're born with, like orientation of any kind. The bad thing is that it's be hard to live like that in this world.
     
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    It would also make Zoophilia/beastiality an orientation.

    Of course, this can be slammed because of the mutual consent argument...but then what about incest?

    Incest can take place between two consenting adults.

    "But the genetics work against it, children can be retarded."

    So they shouldn't have kids. They can adopt. Right?

    ...

    It's a moral quagmire. We lack the science to know fully.
     
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    Incest isn't a sexual orientation.
     
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    Neither is paedophilia.

    Back where we started. xD
     
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    Glad you've come to your senses. Point of this thread?
     
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    It's just a fetish, it doesn't make sense to call it an orientation.
     
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    The point of this thread was to point out that NO ONE seems to actually be arguing that pedophilia is a sexual orientation (except maybe some pro-pedophilia groups interviewed in one of those articles - but certainly not the American Psychological Association). But I should've realized not enough people would read the full post/articles for the discussion to actually change direction.

    Eh, I tried.
     
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    Yeah, pedophilia is a sexual orientation just like how bald is a hair color.
     
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    I don't think it's an orientation but i do think they should do more research on this
     
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    APA just issued a correction; the term is "sexual interest" not "sexual orientation". There's a separate thread about it.