LGBT News Queer Marriage--a good thing, or a subversive distraction?

I'm not getting married so this doesn't really bother me. So meh. If you wanna get married get married then. None of ma business.

 

COUGHthis'll get moved. probably.COUGH

interesting though.

I still want to be able to marry, but I see your point.

 

A good thing. I agree with you about the nature of marriage, but I also don't want to deny people rights in the interest of furthering my own political aims. Some people just want to live a happy life with a loving relationship and some kids, and be legally recognised by the state in doing so, and I can't honestly blame them.

 

Frankly, while I do understand what you are saying, and where you are coming from, I do not agree with it on a personal level. Although, I'll be honest, this might simply be because I DO want to get married and live a wonderful, if a bit stereotypical life, with a lady. Therefore, I will do everything I can to fight for gay marriage rights, mainly because I want them for myself. Sorry if that sounds a bit selfish. Also, I don't agree with you saying that people who are married have more rights than people who aren't married. Maybe I'm just not understanding it, in which case, could you explain it to me? Sorry, if I came off rude, I did not mean to be rude.

 

where will it get moved to?????

 

Hmm, if gay people were to achieve legal and cultural equality with straight people sans revolution, then in what way is the revolutionary stance more important for gays versus straight people? It seems like if revolution is beneficial it should be beneficial for all social groups, not just particular ones. Or do you think that legal and cultural equality is impossible without revolutionary social change?

And I know I left out other parts of the queer community. I focused on gay people because I think its very possible that in the not-too-distant future homosexuality will become more or less culturally accepted in the West while polyamory, some forms of gender-variance, etc. remain taboo. Those are the parts of the queer community that I think really need radical and pervasive social change. Homosexuals seem to be able to assimilate into the dominant culture in the West comparitively easily at this point.

 

First, this thread will probably get moved to Chit-chat because that's where LGBT topics go. It's not an actual recent news story with a linked article or video.

And as far as I know, or from what I've been told, marriage has the benefits it does because of kids. What I mean by this is that time and time again, the US has taken surveys from the beginning til recent, seeing how well kids do in later life. Each time, the kids with 2 parents have done the best. So in order to help those families out, the US gives those things like tax benefits. That's the foundation of why the right-wing is against same-sex marriage. They think that because it's not 1 man and 1 woman, that all hell will break loose and everybody will go into chaos. Because, you know, if we open it up, who's going to say it's not going to 3 or more parents? Then the kids won't have 2 parents, they'll have MORE! See where this is going? It's not a completely made-up thing out of irrationality, it's a pure strawman.

Nevertheless, I'm all for marriage. The word is basically unanimous with the idea that those 2 people are there with each other until death do them part. True, there have been divorces. But the idea of 2 people being with each other, 2 people who truly say that they will stick to the end is something that nobody can dislike.

 

You know, I find that frankly rude and offensive. I plan to get married to my partner of 21 years next spring, and in a non-traditional ceremony in front of a statue of Thurgood Marshall, in Annapolis, one of our heroes.

All my life I've worked to support equality of race, income, gender and sexual preference, and getting married isn't going to change that one bit. I'll still be fighting. I'll still be a member of the SPLC, work with developing community gardens in the inner city, voting, supporting the ACLU. We're not just 'pairing off'.

Don't assume I'm 'buying into' anything. I find this really, really beyond the pale to be reading, here, as if you have some crystal ball that can see us all suddenly becoming 'oppressors', just because we're married. Of all the things I've read here, this may be among the most insensitive, offensive and rude. And perhaps the most outlandish and unsubstantiated by fact or reason.

 

Then you'd have the majority of threads going into this subforum, as most of them are LGBT threads. The things that you refer to, yes, would go into here. But the actual topic itself is a topic nonetheless. There's no actual article referring to a specific event, because that's what news is. It's specific things about broad topics. If, say, Brian Fischer said something offensive, or even better, something pro-gay, then that would constitute as something that goes into the News subforum because it's something specific. If you had all the LGBT threads in the past 24 hours in here, you'd also have the biphobia one, the religion one and the one Hexagon just made.

At least that's my understanding of how this forum works. I'm not a mod, so I can't say. My guess is that it'll end up going into chit-chat because that's where LGBT topics go. Take it up with them if you desire. But to my understanding, since there's no article to cite a specific event and discuss it, it wouldn't belong in the news subforum.

 

Actually just rethought this over. I'm half-right, here.

What I'm trying to say is that the News subforum refers to events instead of topics. So, taking that Brian Fischer example, it refers to an event: Something that Brian Fischer said. If we just talked about people's opinions on marriage, that's people's opinions on a topic, not an event. See the difference?

 

I'll have to say, that made me laugh. Everyone at work knows I'm gay, and getting married. They've known it for the 7 years I've worked there, and I'm not acting any differently. I dress on the bright/child-like side, and people think I'm quirky. And it's fine.

And everyone at the local dive bar (not gay, but diverse) that we have gone to for years has known us to be a couple and gay for even longer.

Getting married isn't making us straight on the street, or in the office.

Your assumptions truly baffle me, and it makes me sad to see so many judgements being passed.

 

Have you seen the stuff in chit chat? A lot of it is interesting stuff, a good half of it dealing with religion, another good third dealing with death. Both of which are extremely interesting topics to talk about. Frankly, this would make a very interesting chit-chat thread, as it's an interesting thread already.

But again, there's a difference, and there's a reason why chit-chat and news is separated.

News is events.
Chit-chat is topics.

Doesn't matter if it's trivial or not. If it's not an event, it probably shouldn't belong in News.

Again, I'm not a mod though. But knowing the way things have been around here for the past few years, my bet is that it'll be put into chit-chat for the reasons I've stated.

 

I don't think our getting married is going to have anything like the doom-and -gloom 'consequences' you speak of. I think you're reading way, way too much into this.

What do you advocate, instead? I don't see why you see gay marriage as such a threat. Just makes no sense to me, why you paint it as so evil seeming, like all the sudden, we're in the sack with Satan, Karl Rove and The Koch Brothers.

I mean, we can all think as we please, but I did find it a bit off-putting, some of those assumptions, without even knowing me, or so many others.