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Old 6th May 2014, 05:51 PM   #1
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Default Tennessee becomes first state to jail women pregnancy outcomes

It's Official: Tennessee Becomes First State to Jail Women for Pregnancy Outcomes | Alternet

here's the article. i don't really know what to think other then it's not a good idea.
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Old 6th May 2014, 06:35 PM   #2
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The one question I have is, what happens if the woman planned, wanted or would want an abortion anyways? Her incarceration should have no effect on the planned medical procedure, and with no child in womb - no problems, right? It would be an interesting argument for outpatient treatment instead of jail.

If the child is born by choice (of the mother) with problems that can be directly associated with illegal drug use, by all means, prosecute. If you intend to have a child and mess it up with illegal drug use, I see no difference than cutting off a kids arm at the playground.

Would offering better services for pregnant, or soon to be pregnant drug users/addicts be a much less expensive option in the long term as opposed to incarceration?

The sad fact is that the FDA allows drugs onto the market that destroy the lives of children (and families) on a somewhat regular basis, and there are no repercussions except some occasional and questionable monetary judgments in court. How can you prosecute a woman for using illegal drugs, and not prosecute a company for putting out an FDA approved drug that does in some cases far more damage?
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The one question I have is, what happens if the woman planned, wanted or would want an abortion anyways? Her incarceration should have no effect on the planned medical procedure, and with no child in womb - no problems, right? It would be an interesting argument for outpatient treatment instead of jail.

If the child is born by choice (of the mother) with problems that can be directly associated with illegal drug use, by all means, prosecute. If you intend to have a child and mess it up with illegal drug use, I see no difference than cutting off a kids arm at the playground.

Would offering better services for pregnant, or soon to be pregnant drug users/addicts be a much less expensive option in the long term as opposed to incarceration?

The sad fact is that the FDA allows drugs onto the market that destroy the lives of children (and families) on a somewhat regular basis, and there are no repercussions except some occasional and questionable monetary judgments in court. How can you prosecute a woman for using illegal drugs, and not prosecute a company for putting out an FDA approved drug that does in some cases far more damage?

yea i was wondering the same thing along those lines
you can't just have a cop waiting to take you to jail after you give birth to a human being. i'm guessing they want to persecute women who purposefully neglect their own children, but i don't know if you can tell for sure with a stupid law like this. the FDA doesn't really care if you ask me
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You know what? I think we should just pass a constitutional amendment that says the State owns people's bodies while they are pregnant.
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But when exactly do you define pregnancy? At conception, or some arbitrary (or not) point during the period between conception and birth? Therein lies many sticky questions.

I'm truly trying to not be biased, and am asking questions that would apply to both sides of the argument. If I stray, please let me know.

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Can we put a constitutional ban on violating human rights and being a dumbass next? Also, if they want to play it that way, put men in the same caliber and have them face some time for the outcome as well. After all, it takes two to make one!
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By the way, my comment was sardonic. In no way do I think this is a good idea.
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pfft also when we're not pregnant. Birth control is totally evil you know.
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pfft also when we're not pregnant. Birth control is totally evil you know.
As Twisty, who I am quite fond of said, something, something, Global Accords Governing the Fair Use Of Women.
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They could cut demand for abortion by a significant amount if they just offered proper sex education instead of this abstinence crap. Hell they could probably do something about their STD infection rates if they pulled their heads out of their arses and realised that condoms aren't just for contraception.

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