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I see that as a bigger issue than Iraq or any other country.

ISIS (or ISIL, not familiar with english usage of the acronym) is a terrorist group. If we let them do what they want some people somewhere might get the idea you can get whatever you want by using terror. Iraq is their second stage, they first started in Syria you know.

They are the only thing on the news since yesterday in here. We are waiting for any development about hostage situation.

 

They took several Turkish truckers (some says up to 200) and whole Embasy crew (around 65 people with 2 kids) as hostage. Our government trying to rescue or work out a deal with them.

So yeah we are, I am a bit worried.

 

US and others should of never gone there in the first place. :/

 

We should have never been there in the first place, but according to Dubya, they had WMDs that we never found.

We should be out of Afghanistan by now, too. The fighting against Al-Qaeda was okay, but fighting the Taliban turned more Afghans and other people in the Middle East against us that were otherwise neutral.

 

Ugh, this really makes me sick.

When is America going to realize that continuing to intervene in Iraq is a waste of time and money? It was a massive mistake ten years ago and it still is.

 

Not to mention us murdering 100,000 Iraqi civilians.

 

The problem is, the current situation is a direct result of our ill advised invasion and incompetent nation building strategy. That means we have a moral responsibility to help. That doesn't mean another invasion, but it does mean air strikes, logistical support (we basically formed the backbone of Iraqi logistics during the war, so when we pulled out shit collapsed), intelligence support, and special forces. As unattractive an option as it is, letting ISIS gain ground is worse. They are far more violent than Al Qaeda was, and they want very much to mount attacks in America and Europe when they have a strong base of operations. They have also proven very willing to slaughter Shiites en masse and behead the children of soldiers and militia fighting them. Something tells me America is not finished in Iraq.

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Given Saddam's behavior towards civilians, this whole situation doesn't have anyone who can claim the moral right.

Also, the civilian body count isn't all on America. Part of it is, but insurgents weren't exactly picking targets with care, either.

 

Yep.

 

No, it's like siblings. Mom doesn't need to get involved, just let the kids duke it out and solve it amongst themselves.

 

More like Mom came in and smacked one kid silly for something that couldn't be solved that way, wouldn't let him learn to do anything for himself, and then totally abandoned him when he proved too hard to take care of, and the other kid wants to kill Mom eventually.

We can't just go into a foreign country without a clear justification, overthrow the douche in charge, make a half assed, shittly planned attempt at nation building, then walk away and say it isn't our problem while the nation burns to the ground. We have a responsibility to give the Iraqi Army an actual backbone and get Maliki to see that Kurdistan and the Sunni areas can never again be effectively governed by the Iraqi government. THIS IS AMERICA'S FAULT. We can't just shirk our responsibility for this because the backlash hurts like hell for us.

Also, if ISIS gains enough of a power base, they will bomb Europe and America, and then we have to invade instead of propping up the Iraqi Army. If we go back nip this now, we may actually be able to avoid having to go to into a ground war again. Not to mention that ISIS wants to start a sectarian war that'll draw in the Gulf States and tear up the region so bad it'll make the Congo look peaceful. This isn't just shitty, it's something that will hurt us deeply if we do nothing.

---------- Post added 13th Jun 2014 at 09:24 PM ----------

When you try and rush this sort of thing, you get exactly what is going on in Iraq right now.

 

Well, I wouldn't oppose special forces and advisors, but other than that I agree that going back into Iraq should not at all be a boots on the ground thing. That didn't work last time, and it isn't going to work now. We need to make it so that the Iraqi Army has the logistics, intelligence, and fire support to do the job, not occupy the country again and fail to teach the Iraqi Army how to fight properly again.

Oh, and the Iraqi government has formally asked the US for support about a bajillion times since this started, so we are well past the consent stage.

 

I like this attitude. Once something dreadful and wrong has been done, a nation can't just turn away from their previous actions on the basis that they were wrong from the beginning; that's just burden-shifting negligence. The US must intervene as far as it takes to stabilise instability caused by its own military and economic policies.

As much as it's easy to say that the US caused it in the first place, it's important that someone (even if it's the French, the Turkish, Jordan, or anyone, really) helps prevent this situation from reaching even more dangerous levels.

 

Erm... Turkey already involved in this mess thanks to our (God I hate that guy) PM/Government who send weapons/money to those ISIS terrorists while they are fighting against Esad in Syria. Now they are trying to save their face by saving those Turkish citizens from ISIS. On latests news ISIS demanded ransom for truck drivers from the company drivers working for.

Things so confusing as you can't rely on media, Turkish media(mostly puppet of the government) is so good on twisting truth to make some people good or bad.

I don't know if anyone surprised this whole fiasco somehow related to religion again. :bang:

 

I was not aware of that, but from Erdogan, that doesn't surprise me.

 

I've been told that President Obama originally wanted to leave some US troop in Iraq for a few more years as advisers and support (10 thousand in country with additional support available from neighboring countries) but the Iraq government said if they stayed they'd have to be subject to Iraq law if there any allegations of wrongdoing, instead of UCMJ. Not country in the world would agree to that, including the Iraq government if they were helping someone out.

 

I'm just afraid ISIS will do something horrible and by then it will be too late.

 

The GOP warhawks spewing venom at Obama and basically calling for another Iraq war make me sick. Because the last war in Iraq really turned out well, didn't it?