General News Sexual Harassment Video!

I love how they get upset when you ignore them and think you should say thank you ,because they said your beautiful .
This happens to me too I hate it :bang:

do men really think that we will like them if they cat call ?

I like some of the men were saying good morning and stuff and usually I say good morning back to those men but the others just awful .:dry:

 

Some people were just saying good morning but yeah, the majority of that was really not very nice.
I've only ever had street harassment once, I'm 13 years old. It was pretty awful.
I hate it when people say shit like "You should appreciate it, it's a compliment!"
It's creepy as fuck.

 

Wow I did not realize it was that bad! Would I visit New York? No I would have to dress like a man to feel a little safe! I would not be able to sleep at all! I would be afraid of someone following me home.

 

Kind of a poor video imo, I would even go so far as to say it contains harassment towards males.

 

How so?

 

What I don't see is how "How are you?" and "Good morning" is considered harassment.

Perhaps it's different in New York, but where I live, people do, in fact, say random greetings to each other and even start conversations with strangers with men and women alike.

But, the other things - yes, it's tiring and upsetting.

 

It's the perceived intention behind it. There may be a I-want-you-in-bed-badly "good morning", and then there may be a good-ol'-friendly-village "Good morning".

By the looks of it, there is multitudes of people all going somewhere in a busy down-town. They all have things to do and lives of their own. Hundreds of people pass by any single person.

All of sudden, someone goes out of their way to be extra-nice... to you? Using intuition, taking a good glimpse of the context, the environment, and filtering through this complete stranger's personality by noticing certain details about him, his swagger and over-confidence, it all gets quickly calculated and summed up that there is a real possibility that you have (or may) become prey.

It's not just the "hello". It's the whole multitude of non-verbal communication, and cues you are picking up from your instincts.

On a contradictory note however, I wonder when, where, and what would be considered an appropriate flirt?

 

The "good morning" and "how are you?" I'm talking about are rhetorical. They don't expect an answer - it's apart of the culture, and to answer is borderline making a faux pas. Trust me, I answered once and they had already left. It was embarrassing. lol.

But, it's when they start to demand (not ask for) an answer. If someone repeats their "how are you?" it's usually just because they're making sure you heard and they actually want to start a conversation, but if they say something like, "I said hello! Don't ignore me!" or "Rude! I was talking to you!" That's what I call harassment.

The tone plays a big role, too. Some of the men in the video sounded like they were just saying a casual greeting to her, but others were using a flirtatious or suggestive tone. I also consider that harassment.

But just friendly greetings?

 

Without getting overly involved or philosophical, I feel the video shows a negativity towards certain males that is unwarranted alongside the intended showing of female harassment.

There's no denying there is /some/ harassment, but much of what is done in the video is harmless.

I myself have complimented men and women alike, and none of it was on a sexual basis or with hidden intent; it was simply to compliment someone who took the effort to take care of themselves.

In a society where so many are obese or sloppy, someone who goes to the gym and actively makes themselves look glamourous is commendable, and inspiring to others.

Some of these men gave harmless and genuine compliments, which should be applauded rather than condemned. Not all men are brave, and for many even just saying hi takes courage. To say hi or compliment, and to reciprocate and say thank you is basic human decency.

The video focuses heavily on gender, and in this case a very linear, very narrow view of a single woman who is attractive walking down a busy street in a loud place. It fails on so many levels in terms of scientific accuracy. What about the women who compliment? Surely if this is a sexual thing there would be lesbians making passes as well.

Sexism goes both ways, it goes ALL ways. I'm not justifying it, but I honestly feel this video is a very very poor example, and narrow viewpoint of the issue proper.

I mean I could go on and on with the nuances, but how about next time we film a man walking into Claires, or some 'girly' store. Even a lingerie store, or a man walking through and looking at women's clothing. Let's have a video of people on the public bus who never have someone sit next to them. Let's record how much male porn stars make as opposed to women.

The issues of sex/gender and even bigotry, pride, arrogance, selfishness, haughtiness, and racism run so deep that a single isolated event meant to purposely poke at men is almost insulting. It demonizes men while making all women victims, when it's not the case.

I'm not saying these men are innocent, but I'm also saying not all women are innocent.

I hope I was able to convey a little bit, it's a topic that could print essays regarding of such.

 

Well, that's the issue. You can't know someone's intent. The woman here is assuming that most of the people have sexual intent behind their comments and I'm sure many of them do. When I was whistled at by another man, I was sure it was his way of telling me that he found me sexually attractive. Now, I'm a vain person, so to me, it was a compliment and I took it well. However, if you take a look at a thread I posted in General Chat about cat-calls, you'll see that most of the people who responded said that they did not consider it a compliment. We have to take that into consideration as well. Whether or not the intent was sexual, we can't just ignore the fact that many people who receive such "street compliments" do not take them that way.

I agree, however, about the numerous times in the video when it was nothing more than a greeting and she was reacting coldly--this is unfair generalization. This seems to suggest that any man who would dare say "good morning" or greet a woman on the street is harassing and trying to get something sexual across. That just serves to further widen the gulf between men and women and make understanding even more difficult--and furthers the stereotype that men are predators.

 

I hear what you are saying, and it's hard to debate with you. I myself feel great when someone greets me with a friendly hello or how are you doing, though I don't live near any busy metropolis, and most (if not all) of my incoming greetings seem friendly and genuine.

But

I rewatched the recorded footage of the girl, and I cannot find one instance in that video where a greeting was just genuinely friendly. They all seem to have some kind of intention of sex behind it. They were all....'flirts', disguised as greetings.

I also tried to interpret the signals that the girl is sending. It seems like she is having a bad day, and has a big "DO NOT BOTHER ME" sign written all over her, during the whole session.

 

Unless you can read minds, there is no possible way of knowing what the intent was behind those comments. All you have to rely on is personal interpretation, speculation and the way the woman looks. She may have felt uncomfortable, but if you're going to freak out every time a man says hello, because it might have 'sexual undertones', you're probably a little paranoid.

I did see this on BuzzFeed though, and wondered when it would appear on here.

 

Ah, I also rewatched the video, and, yes, I see what you mean.

I found two instances, though, there it sounded like they were just saying hello - 0:37 and 0:39. They're right next to each other.

But, you make a very, very good point about her body language - can't really say anything about that, unless they were just passing by and didn't happen to see her face.

 

Who's freaking out? Personally, I wish I was wooed a little more now and then :lol:

How would you consider that these women "work on that"? Are you saying they should "loosen up" a bit?

I'd say for being in that area (NYC?), there is a need for some caution, especially being in the midst of a supposed prevalent rape culture.

 

I don't get the nonchalance toward the video. A good 95% of those comments and/or actions were cringe-worthy. Particularly the ones following her.

Yes, those would be very out of place in Manhattan. It would be generally impossible to say "good morning" to every person passing you there.

 

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This is very interesting. I can see how the girl feels harassed especially with the 'damn' (or 'dayme' as they pronounce it), but on the other hand a couple of the greetings seemed genuine.

Most of the comments directed towards her seem to lie between the harassing comments and the genuine greetings, with many comments being innocent but spoken in a flirtatious manner.

I personally feel there is nothing wrong with the flirty 'hello' or 'how are you?' but following her clearly crosses a red line.

We need to be careful not to allow men to be demonised, which I see a lot of (the Panel of Loose Women for example), on the other hand the video raises an interesting point about women being objectified and stalked.

 

Well, context is key here. Many of them were missed as the video are edited, so some of the comments can't really be judged at face values.

That said, the guys that commented just either can't take a clue, intentionally ignore it, or just too distracted by other "parts" of the girl's body to notice that she was wearing a "I don't have time to deal with your shit" face. Like, that is a face of someone who is absolutely not interested in the conversation in the least.Yet they approach her, try to talk to her, then get upset about being ignored.

The one that say she should say thank you for being called beautiful was a bit...weird. Might be well intentioned, but also a bit arrogant.

The ones that stalks her were just flat out creepy.