LGBT News Survey: Americans Like Gays But Hate When Gays Act Gay

Replace "Americans" with "gays," and you have another big problem we face.

 

There is literally no difference when it comes to Christians Hating the "Sin" but not the "Sinner"

 

This exactly--I've never understood it and I find it absolutely infuriating.

As for straight people the whole thing about "acting gay" is just a cover for not liking gay people but knowing it's less socially acceptable to say so any more. My main problem with the whole "in your face" thing is that these types of people interpret everything we do as being about sex somehow. People will say something like who needs to talk about their sex life at work--and I can agree with that in general. The problem is if I were to say my wife and I went to the opera last night well that's not about my sex life. Yet somehow for a lot of the "in your face" people when I say my husband/partner/boyfriend and I went to the opera last night somehow I am talking about my sex life. I mean we don't generally have sex at the opera either--I mean there was sort of that one time, but I probably wouldn't talk about that at work.:lol:

 

This reveals two things. First, Americans still deeply hate us. We're only liked if we're invisible, and what counts as "shoving gayness in everyone's face" is stuff like public displays of affection, happening to have a lisp, or wearing clothes of a certain hue. Public displays off affection are totally fine for straight people, of course.

Second, lesbians are once again being objectified by straight men, and this is mistaken for "acceptance." There are only two explanations for this. One is that straight men find lesbians hot, even though they don't have sexual access to them. This is fucked up. The other is that they see lesbians as less threatening because they view these women as weaker. Part of gay and bisexual men do (just by existing) that scares the living shit out of straight men is remind them that it's possible--as a man--to be on the receiving end of an unwanted advance, sexual harassment, or other predatory behavior. They fail to recognize the connection that would lead them to wonder "how do women feel?"

~ Adrienne

 

I was just thinking this morning how I am still uncomfortable with camp people for some stupid reason. Still have some internalized issues going on.

 

It's not just about Pride parades, though. Simply discussing what someone and their partner did over the weekend, holding hands in public, or being "too" gender-variant is enough for some people. Forget everything heterosexuals do - I think gay people are less likely to do these things openly, and definitely not without some deal of consideration most straight people take for granted.

I'd also be interested in what lesbians thought of other lesbians (and gay men) french kissing. My thoughts are that since female bisexuality and bodies are so commercialized, you'd find more neutral or positive views. People just aren't used to, and are weirded out by seeing two men being intimate together (probably more so if they're traditionally masculine).

 

I am admittedly one of them. I hate it, but I know that deep down I still have a problem with the super-gay guys. I'm pretty sure it's my upbringing. I think a lot of us will face that as we get older. While previous generations were told to hide it, now we are able to come out a little easier, BUT...we have to control it.

Hopefully overtime we can grow to accept ourselves and everyone else, but......that could be next century.

 

Because this is tantamount to be ashamed of what we are. And I will not do that. I utterly REFUSE to that. Let the conservative scum feel uncomfortable. Attempt to force me back in a closet and the result will be retaliation of a level and kind they are not prepared to endure.

Todd

 

Pride parades are necessary because they serve to redress a past of repression and denial, because we are announcing to the world that we exist and that we are not going to disappear, and the only way to do that is to be as open as possible.

Some straight people hate us, not because we dare to proclaim ourselves out loud and publicly, they hate us because we are not like them. In the past we were quiet as mice, yet they hated us anyway, so we met in dark caverns and bathhouses, but they hated us anyway, when we dared to love one another, they hated us more...they hate us because we exist, period.

 

I love how we're supposedly always shoving our gayness in their faces just by PDA. Its not like straight people shove their straightness in our faces, since, you know, our society is far from heteronormatively based.

 

I don't think we can single out straight men on this. Yes they might be more vocal in their "approval" of lesbians, but straight women have increasingly been shown to objectify gay men.

A study of porn usage demonstrated that gay male porn was one of the most popular types for female users, and interestingly a higher percentage of female users searched for gay porn than men did for lesbian porn.

Now you can argue that its because gay porn is somehow "different" or more accessible to women. The problem with that argument is straight male porn and gay porn are actually remarkably similar in theme, production and aesthetics (an interesting read on that here). I think the truth of it is that some women just like seeing two men in their porn instead of a man and a woman, and likewise some straight men like seeing two women instead. Others may find it "kinky" and so fetishise it. Who knows.

 

I honestly do not have anything to add, since I think OGS, Pret Allez, AKTodd, and Great Whale covered everything I would want to say.

Unfortunately, this is nothing new. Here is a song about it:
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There, I contributed something. :icon_wink

I think that song sums it up pretty accurately from both the gay and straight side.

 

How do you know it's only straight women watching gay porn, though? And how do you know they all do it for the same reasons? Because the porn industry is catered primarily for men, you get plenty of lesbians and bisexual women who would rather watch gay porn than something unrealistic and sexist towards women.

 

Its obviously not only straight women watching gay porn, but on the same note its not only straight men watching lesbian porn either.

Its probably true the porn is geared towards men, but this idea that gay porn is somehow more wholesome or realistic doesn't really stand true. Its just as unrealistic and staged, and a great deal is just as sexist (except the sexism is in the guise of homophobia/criticism of femininity). I don't know though - maybe women see pass that as its not impacting them directly?