General News ISIS putting some limits on it's insanity

Can't we like....nuke them from orbit? Ugh. I often do not choose violent method, but sometimes there are people that deserved nothing less than being wiped from the face of the earth.

 

I agree, Isis really just needs to be exterminated. It's really starting to annoy me how many American citizens Isis has decapitated and yet we still are only bombing them.:bang:

 

Yes, and the sad part is that they are just engaging in a literal reading of the texts. I can only hope that the ISIS literal reading of the texts sparks a backlash in the Muslim world against literalism and fundamentalism. If there is one good thing that may emerge from all of this it is the potential backlash.

However, I am not sure how much Muslims in oppressive countries know, or even how well informed they are about it.

...and of course, still, even today no one is talking about holding the Saudi Government responsible for any of this.

 

Yeah, it is hilarious in a sort of sad and ironic way. I am emotionally caught between wanting ISIS to dismantle the Saudi regime, simply because they are the ones responsible for so much of the bad shit that happens to the people in the Middle East. Yet, at the same time, I would not want to see that happen because I know what would happen to the Saudi people, and I do not wish that on them.

What I hope for in the Middle East, with every fiber of my being, is for a spreading of secular values. I want the people of the Middle East to begin seeing religion the way that we see it in the West--as something that NEEDS to be separate from the state. Then I want them to unite and overthrow every regime there, and begin building secular governments that embrace the concept of human rights and democratic values.

Sadly, I doubt I will ever live to see that day.

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Exactly. This is what people fail to understand. ISIS wants to be seen as fighting against the United States and the West. They know this would drive up their recruitment numbers.

 

Okay...

 

"Check her teeth"

The hell? They dentists now?

 

I'm of the opinion that simply blowing them up would be far too merciful.

 

yes what a great idea. advocating unthinkable warcrimes pre-emptively, breaking nuclear defensively only treaties, slaughtering innocent people in the wake, and rendering a large part of the Middle East uninhabitable for a long time.

what could possibly go wrong?

He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you.
"Beyond Good and Evil", Aphorism 146 (1886).

 

Yes, because I literally mean we should also break the outer space treaty and start another arm race to space with WMD in orbit, along with breaking the already fragile equilibrium between superpowers, pushing the world to WWIII...

Really, my point is, sometimes it feels like drastic measure must be taken when we are faced with extreme abhorrence toward absolute evil acts. The "nuke it from orbit" idiom (I think it should be one now) means something is so horrible that you want to eradicate it, but at the furthest distance possible because you can't stand being in any proximity with it. It conveniently condenses my idea of : "What they are doing is extremely horrible and disgusting", and "I want those acts to be eradicated, for good" with a lot of emotion behind it.

 

If the taliban says these guys are nuts... then... well yea.

 

Not confused. It was a common practise to check slaves teeth/women and animal in early ages... at least around this part of the world. That sentence targeted to mock and compare women to animals they can own.

Other one probably meant for intercourse which won't kill female... at what age a girl can take an adult man penis without causing so severe wounds/bleeding? Pain probably doesn't count as an obstacle... depending on what I heard/experienced in this part of world pain thought as arousing side effect which makes men feel more powerful/in control.

No matter which perspective you look at into this thing: it is sick, disgusting and reason why I hate men... if I don't remind myself there are good examples still around.

 

Yeah, as am I

 

okay how do you advocate that the Western world complete obliterates ISIS? you know, practically.

this is sickening.

 

For once I agree with you. :lol:

 

Disgusting.

 

We start a siege.
We rescue people. Absorb the refugee. Take away the people that ISIS would prey. They thrive on the ideology of a holy war, and use it to justify their pillage and slavery as prizes for their warriors. Now we deny that. We don't take a war to them. We isolate them, forming defensive lines. We deny them the people, the resource they want to take and starve them. If we attack them, they can easily turn that into a narrative of the underdog fighting against odds. If we defend and protect the people they try to harm, they would look just like idiots trying to throw rocks at a tank. We support the people fighting back, just as we do now. We provide them intelligence with our technology, we supply them with resource for a longer fight.

Once they have nothing left to loot and pillage and faced with an impassable wall around them, they will die from inside.

 

how is what you are advocating not war?

And you don't think that 1. the intentional starvation of civilians is a warcrime or 2. this totally won't feed into ISIS persecution complex and swell their ranks as the populous goes without food?

And starving them doesn't cause this... how?

Yeah it isn't like ISIS has RPGs and antiarmor weapons at all.

oh hey look we actually agree on something, insofar as I think you're speaking about arming the Kurds.

this is possibly a worse solution than "nuke em' back to the stoneage."