General News Armed Bikers Plan Anti-Islam Rally Next to Phoenix Mosque

Phoenix is a place in Arizona, right?

 

Meanwhile, that nutty Islamophobe and crackpot, Pamela Geller, who held that event in Texas where two people were killed wanted to post the 'award winning' images of the prophet Mohammed at various DC Metro stops, and on 20 DC area busses. Nice of her to stir up an anthill, and put other people in the way of potential harm. Luckily, the DC Metro isn't having it. I can see free speech; let her put a sign on her own car, or her house, or what not, but to draw in tens of thousands of people who happen to use a very busy transit system shows how these people continue to push their causes beyond common sense and decency.

 

People need to not put religious extremists and just people living out their faith in the same category. There is a huge difference and need to be avoided at all costs.

 

Ridiculous. This is definitely an aggressive act.

 

These idiots are going to get themselves killed

 

Why are people doing this? What are they trying to achieve?

If you want valuable opinions and some real discussions, then this is obviously not the way to do it. It might mean nothing to people who are not in the Islamic faith, but drawing figures they view as sacred/important is very disrespectful. If you do such a thing, in my opinion, you're being deliberately hateful and you lack a lot of empathy. It is so easy to avoid it, why would you on purpose try to humiliate, anger or annoy people? And yes, they can go around and say you have the freedom to do this, but it definitely shows that some people have a lack of empathy. Doing this solely to get their attention. Very sad.

 

This won't end well... :eusa_doh:

 

Would be funny if law-abiding Muslims also open carry :lol:. The Second Amendment works both ways :lol:.

I'll post the same thing I posted before:

Oh, God, there's an anti-Muslim rally/draw Mohammed contest planned in Arizona (to be done outside of an Islamic community center).

Jesus Christ, at least have the decency to do it elsewhere. It's sort of like anti-war protestors lining up to protest the funeral of a fallen soldier; just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Plus, how'd they feel if someone held a rally of nooses and burning crosses outside of a predominantly black church or hold a rally outside of a Christian church that with signs that said "Why do you keep on asking me if I have found Jesus? Does he keep running away every time you hang him? Find bigger nails next time!"

 

As twisted as it sounds, I have a feeling they're hoping it doesn't.

 

Ooh, that's a good one! *writes down for future door-to-door Bible salesman use*

 

Was there a section of this article that described these people as predominantly Black?

Because I am fairly certain that racist radical Americans couldn't give too shits about Black churches. Let's be real. Its has only been in the last few decades that they decided to stop bombing them, Christian or otherwise.

 

I am giving them the benefit of the doubt that they are in solidarity with the ecumenical body of Christian churches. I was just thinking of acts that would be considered sacrilegious to various Christians. Yeah, I know that's probably not even the case since I suspect most folks of such inclination tend to be CINOs (Christians in name only) and more bigots than Christian.

 

This. It disgusts me on a fundamentally deep level that people like this, and others such as Pamela Geller are seeking to co-op and hide behind a legitimate movement to push their own religious and political agenda. These are vile people who are just as bad as the people they hate.

It is important to draw a distinction between everyday people who are just trying to practice their religion freely, and individuals and groups who are legitimately dangerous and should be opposed with law enforcement action. There is a legitimate difference, and it does a disservice to everyone by lumping all Muslims together. In fact, that is exactly what the terrorists want, and pushes people who might be on the fence into their camp. This is not how we win. We cannot slaughter over a billion people, and so trying to lump them all together is stupid--it's the opposite of divide and conquer.

I have a fundamental dislike of theism in all its forms and incarnations, and I find Islam broadly speaking a disgusting strain. However, my disagreements are philosophical and theological. It is not based in a hatred of Muslims, in fact, I can respect and even like Muslims while also thinking that many of the philosophical and theological claims that arise out of their religion are bad and horrible. This is how I deal with Christians, and I see no reason to treat Muslims differently. We can respect and even like people we disagree with--we handle those disagreements with discussion and debate, not through intimidation and hate.

 

http://www.newsweek.com/rally-outside-phoenix-mosque-337668

Well, looks like there was no violence. The two groups yelled "fuck you" at each other, but that was about it.

I may not like these people, but they have a right to do this if they want to. And maybe some of them were hoping it would get violent, but I'm glad it didn't.

It's interesting that one of the comments portrays Islam as inherently isolating (i.e. that Muslims avoid non-Muslims because they're "infidels"). That hasn't been my experience in south France. I don't know if that's true in America, but it isn't true there. Many people "know a Muslim" there and there's no problem with it.

 

If they did, they would have succeeded. I'm glad there was no violence for the sake of regular people's reputations. Because if people expect Muslims to shoot everyone who acts like idiots and makes a scene and they are proven correct (as what happened at Charlie Hebdo and Geller's event) then it sheds an extremely bad light on Islam for its faithful and those who perceive them.

Supposing this happens again with only ugly words exchanged, the tension will die down. People are only doing it to get a rise; the Muslims who refuse the provocations like Shami did might soon get people to quit thinking of Islam as "the terrorist religion".

 

Excellently stated. If there had been violence against them, then they would have succeeded. And I'm glad they didn't.

It isn't a "normal reaction" for Muslims to shoot people who mock them, but that's what these groups want you to think. And when violent reactions happen, they're proven right.