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General News Bernie Sanders says gun control won't solve all our problems

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  1. dano218

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    Sanders: Gun control won

    You know this why i don't like democrats or republicans in general anymore. Nobody wants to be bipartisan and give and take or whatever. Politics is too polarized and i refuse to be pulled either way and it breaks my heart that common sense moderates are being pulled out of office one by one in both parties. I would vote for either of the two parties if that was the best option and they had bipartisan ideals but I wish a Independent party would rise in this county cause it is so desperately needed. Bernie Sanders maybe very liberal in many respects but I like his honesty and common sense ideas. He is right we have to look at all aspects of a problems we face and hey Bernie is rising in the polls. Independents for America!
     
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    How does gun control relate to bipartisanship though? It's generally a Democrat ideal, with Republicans opposed. I tend to think of Sanders as fairly liberal despite the fact that he's Independent, so it's interesting that he's willing to say it's not an ideal solution.

    I'm curious about his potential for a Dem nomination. He's not even funding his campaign with a super PAC! This guy might be alright hehe. That article mentions he voted for the "assault weapon ban" which was just folly though. We'll see.
     
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    Because i think the only way to truly get things done in regard to gun control and other issues is to work in bipartisanship. Some on the left want to ban guns altogether while the some on the right want to do nothing. I want bipartisan solutions that work for all Americans and I think Bernie Sanders is the best choice. I am tired of people wanting it all and not willing to give and that is way i like this statement by Sanders because independents on some issues are really bipartisan forces. Many republicans and democrats want to be bipartisan but this crazy America we live in taking them out one by one and Bernie Sanders if president will get this country in shape. That is my point and how it relates to bipartisanship.
     
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    Bernie Sanders is ok with me. We need someone who can unseat Hillary. No more oily Clintons in the White House. She has done nothing. She has only occupied positions, largely based on name recognition. I don't understand why people like her.

    I like Hillary about as much as I like Sarah Palin. Not.
     
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    Same here. It feels more like coronation than a real fight of ideals and viewpoints. Bernie is very honest in his views and his vision for the future.
     
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    Eh, why the fetish for "bipartisan"? I'd rather have effective policy. I don't see why one side has to make concessions just so it can be bipartisan.

    Partisanship is the political process. If there weren't partisans, there would be no need for politics.
     
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    I am sorry but look at our political history. Nothing really gets done without any bipartisanship. That is all i am saying. Bernie Sanders has a point in saying we need to give and take and take everything into account. Bipartisanship can either get out you voted out of office or re elected which is kind of sad also and i would vote for any moderate if they for gay rights regardless of party. Screw partisanship i say!
     
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    That's not really true. Plenty of things have passed under single party rule. And plenty of horrible things have passed near unanimously.

    We also have ideologically determined parties now and that's changed significantly. It's not a valid comparison to look at an age like the 1950s-60s where you had liberal and conservative members of both parties.

    If you've got the votes, then you've got the votes.
     
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    Yeah that is true in some respects. I just like when political parties work as a team and i find the moderates in congress to to be the most effective in bringing the parties together. Compromise should not be a dirty word on some issues. That is all I am saying.
     
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    I think the USA needs a strong third party, but I guess it's been tried and never worked?
    Republicans and Democrats own your politics which means it's always all-out war, rarely compromise and consensus? In Canada we may vote New Democratic Party provincially and Conservative federally... then 4 years later vote Liberal. Few of us are stuck on one party for more than two terms, never mind for life.

    Not sure if it accomplishes anything to vote in an Independent? Does it?

    Personally, I prefer moderates.
     
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    I like Bernie Sanders but I don't agree with him on gun control. I do like that he supports an assault riffle ban. I'll still vote for him in the primary
     
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    I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter who does not support his views on gun control. I'm still voting for him in the primary because I agree with him more than Hillary, and will still vote for whoever the Democratic nominee for President is.
     
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    Bernie Sanders needs to do himself and the party a favor and drop out of the race.

    On the subject of gun control, it's not necessarily a one-party issue. Andrew Cuomo got the SAFE Act (And gay marriage, for that matter) through the Republican-controlled New York Senate. The assault weapons ban that Clinton signed in 1994 passed because there were enough Republican votes to get it passed in both the House and the Senate.
     
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    Yes decades after decades third parties lost a lot of power i think and now the main parties control mostly everything. I like moderates and I would vote a moderate in either party as long as they are pro gay rights. I don't like being pulled either way and also don't like "winner takes all" politics I think it is destruction to government and society. Right now in all honesty it won't accomplish much but if can start a movement in your state or county or district than maybe more power could go to a Independent candidate. My boyfriend before he died had no liking for either party and that was a inspiration to me and my passion against the establishments. If paid to do it would travel long distances to spread the word about a moderate movement. My boyfriend did that type of thing on the road and it really resonated with people and it enriched a lot of lives. Not that he got paid for it but he would explain his independent minded politics to people on the road as a trucker and it sounded great to people.
     
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    What 3rd parties in the us? We've never had a system where a 3rd party was anything more than a one-off around a particular presidential candidate, like teddy Roosevelt 's Bull Moose. Our electoral rules are set up in such a way that it is guaranteed to establish a two party system.
     
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    Well what i mean is at the time George Washington became president he was a independent. Than John Adams was a Federalist. Than Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, and John Q Adams were Democratic-Republicans. Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren were Democrats. Harrison, John Tyler, Zachary Taylor. and Millard Fillmore were Whigs. And James Polk was a Democrat. The last other third party leader was Andrew Johnson who was in the National Union Party. But after that in the late 1800's a two party system became dominate. I hope and pray in years to come a third party will resurface and bring some real unity in America. I am a becoming more anti establishment by the year lol.
     
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    Thanks for the information Dano. In Canada today the polls show the New Democratic Party (NDP)... a fairly socialist left party backed by Unions and poor people... has forged into the lead. We're not scared of this happening because they most likely will not have a majority, and it's probably time for a change. They've never been in power federally.
     
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    No problem. A third party may just be something i need to go across America and make a movement out of it. Tell these people establishment politics don't need to be your only option. I seriously would do that if all possible.
     
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    Unless there is a change in the electoral system, all a strong third party will lead to is the house deciding our presidential elections.
     
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    Bernie Sanders is stating the obvious.