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General News Angela Merkel attacked over crying refugee girl #MerkelStrokes

Discussion in 'Current Events, World News, & LGBT News' started by Aldrick, Jul 16, 2015.

  1. Aldrick

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    Full story at the link here.

    I'm sure she'll be stroking some starving Greek children living under oppressive austerity measures next, "You seem like extremely nice children, but all this bread is for good German people. I am sure if you ask your mummy and daddy, they'll buy you some cake!"
     
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    That's not the way I read it, as someone in Europe. The European Union enforces free migration between EU countries for EU country citizens, and as a extremely economically strong country, Germany is very popular with European migrants. All the European countries are trying to take in refugees but, as Merkel says, to take everyone isn't possible. Angela Merkel is one of the world's most successful politicians; you can't knock her for one incident on a problem facing the whole of Europe - a problem that most other European governments are dealing with poorly.

    But she did handle the difficult situation badly, effectively telling the girl her future, individually, wasn't a concern when looking at the big picture. It's a difficult situation, one of many Europe is facing.

    P.S. Greece hasn't followed austerity measures strictly before and it seems highly unlikely that they will accept them now. They lied to the EU about their economic situation to get in, refused to commit to serious cuts to aid the economy, and now refuse necessary austerity measures.
     
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    First her comments on gay rights, then she does this. I'm really starting to dislike this chancellor...
     
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    I don't know what people expect her to do. She should have handled the situation better (much better) but she couldn't have said, 'you and your family can come in, but not other Lebanese people / asylum seekers.'
    Merkel on gay rights was mixing religion and politics, which shouldn't go together.
     
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    It isn't possible to save the world. Although I feel incredibly privileged to live in the UK, we are far from out of the woods and have many issues to face, there comes a point where we have to ask - if we can't provide the best services to our own people, then is it really appropriate to open those services up to 100's of 1000's of immigrants; 85% of whom are economic migrants?
     
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    People don't expect her to do anything. Even public figures with political power often cannot wave magic wands and make everything perfect and fair. People expect her to show human decency. Show empathy and remorse. The ability to address the general public, both domestic and foreign, with the highest amount of respect and thoughtfulness is the number one job of any president, chancellor, prime minister, etc. A response with any decency being:

    "Although Germany cannot house all who seek asylum, the deportation of innocent human beings who are only seeking to bring themselves out of harm and suffering is a modern tragedy."

    Not:

    "You appear to be a lovely child, but sometimes life is hard, dear."
     
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    She's still not as evil as her Australian counterpart, but given that she's one of the most impressive chancellors in German history, she's proving more and more disappointing. Certainly Europe's most powerful politician, the EU on her watch has failed to come to an effective binding agreement on refugee distribution, which is something she should bear partial responsibility for; it's an issue she's deliberately skirted around the edges of.

    She rarely uses the immense power she has to the extent she could. She has a bit of political capital to spare as a result. To put effort into humanitarian causes such as this would not only be simply the right thing to do, it would also better secure a positive legacy for her.
     
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    I'm just going to address both of these points head on, directly, without distinction between the two.

    First, both the UK and the Europeans as a whole have an ethical obligation to deal with the refugee crises. That ethical obligation exists, because much of the problems that are taking place--particularly when it comes to the Palestinian crisis--is both directly and indirectly linked to past European and UK policies. Your nations carry a heavy burden in what has taken place across the world, and in a just world your nations would be required to pay reparations and restitution for at least a century if not more. Rather than enjoying all of those wonderful socialist policies, you'd look more like Greece today, in more debt than you could ever possibly hope to repay. That is what a just world looks like--be fortunate that we do not live in a just world.

    Second, it is also an ethical obligation of all nations to assist refugees and asylum seekers--the United States included. This does not mean that you throw open your borders and allow every refugee who wants to enter to come. It means shouldering an equal and fair amount of responsibility. What Merkel is telling this young woman is that Germany is incapable of handling such a large influx of refugees, and this is a lie. Germany is the fifth wealthiest country by GDP in the world, and the wealthiest in Europe. It is also a stable country. Instead of shouldering its fair share of the refugee burden, it is placing this burden on less stable and less economically secure countries like Lebanon and Jordan. Right now Lebanon is hosting more than 1.5 million refugees, which is more than a quarter of its population. Is Germany willing to shoulder a refugee population greater than a quarter of its population? I don't think so. So, why is Lebanon, a much less politically and economically stable country, being asked to do so? Why is Germany, the UK, and the rest of Europe not stepping up to do it's part?

    Third, the core of the argument is a lie. It implies that there is some type of slippery slope, that if this girl and her family are granted asylum that somehow magically it will transfer to every other asylum seeker. This undercuts the ugly truth. When Merkel said, "politics can be tough sometimes" she was telling the truth--her actions are entirely political. It's not because Germany can't accept more refugees or asylum seekers, because it can, it's the fact that she is placating and playing into a right wing base at home that is anti-immigrant and xenophobic. There have been arson attacks against asylum seekers, evidence of neo-nazi activity, and a map displaying refugee homes in Germany posted online for further attacks. Far right political factions have been ratcheting up anti-immigrant sentiment across all of Europe, and Germany is no exception. This is who Angela Merkel placates with her words and actions, in an attempt to hold onto power. That is the politics behind these decisions.

    Forth, the further ugly truth is that Germany, like all developed nations, is declining in terms of population. There has never been any good evidence that immigration has harmed a nation economically. It could potentially suppress wages for unskilled workers, due to a large influx of unskilled labor, but that is about the only negative influence immigration exerts economically despite what anti-immigrant politicians like to claim.

    Fifth, I want to circle back around to the politics and xenophobia aspect of this discussion. This is an issue that Angela Merkel has been facing for some time. Here is an excerpt from a BBC article published back in 2010.

    The full article is here, and it includes a translated video of her comments.

    It is important to be upfront and honest about what is going on, and to provide the proper context to Merkel's remarks.
     
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    This.

    And if I might add my own, I find it sad that most high-up politicians, including Merkel, lose themselves to apathy. This is obviously to be expected with all the stress and when learning that their innocent dreams cannot be realized in our political landscape.

    This story does not faze me in the sense that I found Merkel distasteful - I expect nothing more from her and am not surprised.
    My only feelings are for the girl. She deserves the material standards Germans enjoy just as much as they do.
    Unfortunately, because of poor planning, bad attitudes, and most of all mass psychology, that is not as simple as it should be.
     
  10. I strongly believe that if Germany can take in many EU migrants, they can handle some refugees as well. It's so sad to hear what refugees have to go through, starting from scratch and live life with a strong sense of uncertainty.

    Germany is the 58th most densely populated country in the world. They still have room to take them in.
     
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    One has to be realistic. Germany is already carrying much of Europe on its shoulders, in my opinion, never mind all those refugees. She really can't win. She's trying to please her own German people and other countries who demand more and more of Germany.

    Powerful countries like the USA and Germany are hated and criticized and are supposed to save the rest of the world. Time for other countries to step it up, and I don't mean Jordan and Lebanon which are overwhelmed. It was mentioned that Germany is stable. How stable will they be socially and culturally if they are flooded with refugees? Germans will rebel against this, I guarantee you.

    Send them to Canada. We have lots of space and are basically all immigrants or the children of immigrants. We just want to make sure we are inviting people who are not going to turn into future terrorists. Come to Canada, but leave your cultural, political, religious and tribal wars and divides behind. We value family, order, peace and tolerance above all else.
     
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    As Gen said above, this is about Merkel behaving inappropriately to a young girl, that's what's wrong with this picture.

    Are they "supposed to save the rest of the world"? Or is that simply a cape they clothe themselves in to fool others so they're able to easier pursue their interests?
    Germans are rebelling, notably in the form of PEGIDA, who are open racists.

    Canada might be nice. A lot of beautiful maple trees. What might be harder is people looking for signs of "terrorism" in them.
    I abhore the sentiment in bold. It's the root of slurs like "women shouldn't wear hijab in Western countries, they should adapt to the culture."
    Why should they leave their heritage and part of their lives behind?
    Is a little variety really that scary?
    Family, order, peace and tolerance are not Canadian values. They are generic values found in most cultures. I think you can rest assured that they will bring those values with them and add to yours.
     
  13. They're coming to countries to seek refuge from the sweat of their brow, do you really think they want to bring their homeland's conflicts with them?
     
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    Doesn't this old hag and battle axe have to leave office, eventually?

    I feel she's been there for an eternity.