General News IU Frat Closes After Graphic, Sexual, Non-Consensual Hazing Video Goes Viral

Let's be honest, all frats are fucked up. By design. This is just another example. Well, one of the few to get posted that is.

 

Absolutely awful. But I honestly feel bad for not being surprised.

 

At first I was wondering how this wound up on Jezebel at all, but then you get to the end note

"“If you see a girl who’s clearly too drunk, or if you see a guy who’s being creepy with a girl,” he said on the panel, “It is your job to step in and do something.”"

That's how they close off the article.

What does it have to do with the story?

From what I gather nothing, they don't even really segue into it. It just comes straight outta left field.

It's a completely positive message absolutely, but I cannot figure out for the life of me why it's in this article. It almost invalidates the point of the article itself.

Take a story about a guy being raped and for no reason make the last line about female rape...


Back on topic ( cause I don't want kicked out of another thread )

Well that's pretty terrible. Frat peeps are friggin idiots. Possibly the worst of humanity. Like seriously wtf is wrong with them?

 

I believe that last line was an attempt at irony, or something. Maybe to bring up a point about people being one way in public, and another in closed quarters.

 

I wasn't speaking about you. Jezebel ( as far as I know ) does not do your thinking for you. They may inform your opinions, but you are still an individual with your own private thoughts and beliefs.

I was speaking to Jezebel itself and upon my second readthrough it actually unhinges to talk about female issues roughly halfway through the article brushing the original part of the story "The male rape" part under the rug for about 50% of the article. =/

I mean I'm glad they bothered to mention it...I guess

but...

why bother if you're just gonna brush it under the rug 5 seconds later to push an entirely different agenda?

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I think the honest truth is that they didn't see it as the same thing.

Nobody stresses male rape at all so in their minds it probably wasn't seen as a rape at all and therefore justified in the name of 'good fun'

They could very well have meant every word about the female rape line at the end, but because of modern perception and ( please don't be offended ) the fact that feminism lately has been pushing a one-sided narrative that makes it seem like women are the only victims of rape completely ignoring men altogether we've inadvertently created a rape culture for men. =/


Plus there is all that evolutionary psychology stuff about men naturally being protective of women which plays a role in things as well.

 

alcohol + young men + rich daddes = trouble.

These are the guys who have always gotten away with everything and were never taught to respect other people. These are the same guys who were bullies in highschool and in college they spend their time refining those bullying skills so they can apply them in new and terrifying ways.

They are very outgoing people who can be charming on the surface and are used to getting away with their antics and don't typically ever grow up.

 

I've always hated frats, and feel they have no place in college life. All they do is help perpetuate the status quo. I've worked at a major university for almost 10 years, and can only say, all they seem to be is a conduit for future addiction, alcohol abuse and a current conduit for violence, rape and the perpetuation of an ugly caste system.

Get rid of frats, please...enough excuses; too many people have been harmed by the over-riding culture.

 

They are kinda stupid.

I dunno about dismantling the entire thing because then that brings sororities into question as far as what's fair in terms of gender equality however...

I am in favor of placing them under stricter rules and punishment as well as actual accountability.

No more slaps on the wrist or rug sweeping.

If the rules were just enforced they'd either clean up or get out and that seems like the best solution to me.

 

Be nice if folks went to school to, you know... learn.

Too radical?

 

I find it quite funny that the official statement given by the fraternity is that these hazing rituals are "antithetical to the values" of the fraternity.

But I think at this point we can see that they're really not antithetical to the values espoused; they're so deeply ingrained in the practices of this frat and countless others that they are probably more important to their members than the official codes of values.

Fraternities in the United States (just like the old dining clubs at Oxbridge) have a particular problem. Unlike ordinary residential colleges, they have rites of entry and often twisted traditions that result a common and often perverse identity, simply because their behaviours and traditions set them apart. An extreme arrogance and disregard for other people results, which isn't helped by the fact that these fraternities tend to be geared towards richer students from similar backgrounds; top-tier private school boys who debate, row and play rugby together can be lovely as individuals, but there is that scary sense of superiority, or at least the insularity and expectation of impunity that comes from remaining within the same small circle you've always known.

Regarding the article, I think we're all agreed that it's poorly written and we're also on the same page that Jezebel isn't exactly at the height of professional journalism. What I think we can agree is that the information within it isn't inaccurate and the subject of frat violence is the topic at hand, not a throwaway line that clumsily tries to link the article back to the site's general focus on women and women's issues, as annoying as it may be.

 

But then we'd have to take out the climbing walls!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBdjEUBRnnE

thoughts?

 

This is disgusting...yet it keeps happening. It's like the Kardashian's - everyone "hates" them yet they're still around, so someone is fibbing!

What makes people want to join these? I don't think you're held at gun point to join a fraternity - right? I AM NOT BLAMING THE VICTIM! I am just saying that if no one joined a fraternity, they'd have no ability to go forward.

So we have to be honest and figure out why people keep letting things like this happen.

 

I agree completely.

I like the points they make, but I do take issue with one thing that Ana said. It's not that I disagree with her point, it's just that her point highlights a double standard she holds.

"We should wait for the information to come out"

I don't remember if that's exactly how she said it. It's a good point, and an important one to make, but I don't just think I know that if this situation were reversed and there was some type of sorority hazing ( Is that even a thing ) that evolved fellatio in this manner she would not be waiting for the information to come out she'd be calling for blood. I know she would.

I think here she's making the right call, but I just wanted to discuss the hypocrisy in her position.


I personally think the 'court of public opinion' has gotten out of control especially with rape. When the Rolling stone story hit how many people were outside of that fratenity house calling for blood? They were vandalized, attacked, constantly harrassed and then it came out that the story was completely bogus.

That's the reason we have a legal system.


That's not to say there aren't times that clearly justice hasn't been served in a criminal case that didn't justify protests, but at the same time people don't even wait to see what the legal system will do.