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LGBT News The Human Rights Campaign endorses Hillary Clinton for President

Discussion in 'Current Events, World News, & LGBT News' started by BobObob, Jan 19, 2016.

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    Agreed. As an active member of Amnesty and a human rights activist, I can firmly say that when it comes to equality, Mrs. Clinton is not the woman for the job. I do think I can understand the motive, however. I'd say they consider Hillary more electable than e.g. Bernie Sanders - partly because Sanders calls himself a socialist and all that (though he isn't), and America fears socialism as much as she fears death, it seems. But still, an active, partial endorsement of her like this... Not my cup of tea. Not at all.
     
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    Alternative thread title: Omnishambles endorses walking omnishambles
     
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    I'm not a US citizen but I think Sanders was an LGBT ally when it wasn’t popular.
    But anyone would be a thousand times better than most of the gobshits from the GOP!
    As I can’t vote in your elections my opinion is irrelevant. So it is very important to get all the LGBT community and their allies to register to vote in order to block the homophobic right wing.
    Just look at what we did in Ireland – a referendum passed by the second highest majority in the history of the state!

    LGBT people make up about 10% of the population, but with friends and family you can win over 60% of the vote.

    If you mobilize, the LGBT community can decide the future of your country!
     
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    Yes, that was a very great thing, and I agree! :slight_smile:
     
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    I think this general strategy of moving to the middle is a bad strategy in the long run. For a long time, the Republican party would stay far on the right, but the Democratic party kept moving toward the center. I think the ideal solution is to sell the values of the left, including "socialism", rather than run away from those values toward the middle. By running to the middle, you allow things like "socialism" to remain scary to Americans.
     
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    I honestly don't care who supports her in my opinion she would still make a terrible choice for president. She flip-flops too much and just over all seems like a poor candidate.
    Just my two cents.
     
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    The HRC has done a terrible disservice to the community they say they support today, and they are going to lose many of their donors over this. I wonder how much money will need to be lost before the corporatists realize that they made a mistake.
     
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    This is disgusting. What a bunch of sellouts. It shows you how the bureaucracy really work. Tellingly, they're more concerned with getting into the good graces of the soon-to-be president than acknowledging someone who actually does protect human rights. It's a travesty, an inversion between right and wrong that they're endorsing her.

    LEt's see some of her human rights accomplishments: destabilizing Libya, a once prosperous country under Gaddafi and now it's a hotbed for terrorism and human trafficking. That sounds like someone totally concerned with humanitarianism.
     
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    It's not just the HRC, either. I see Facebook posts from a local union. (This dates to a period when I was showing support for them as they battled a contract.) And guess who they endorsed? Hint: it wasn't Sanders. They then had the audacity to thank Sanders for adding his voice or some such thing, and encouraged him to continue doing so. The tone suggested that he was no longer in the race.
     
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    you forgot the guy who started off with a small lone of a million dollars from his father
     
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    The ironic thing is, among the people I know who are republicans, they think the reason the reason they've lost the last two presidential elections (and the elections in the Clinton era) is because the party nominated middle of the road RINO's instead of true die hard conservatives. This allegedly caused the so called silent majority to stay home on election day, or vote for a third party candidate, instead of the Republican. :lol:
     
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    That's what the party as a whole thinks. Quite something considering the depths Mittens plumbed in search of the hard right vote.
     
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    The human rights campaign really dropped the ball on this one, Hillary is such a flip flop, Not just on LGBT rights, But everything. I mean at least Bernie supported LGBT equality even when it wasn't "Politically safe" to do so.

    ---------- Post added 19th Jan 2016 at 09:18 PM ----------

    The human rights campaign really dropped the ball on this one, Hillary is such a flip flop, Not just on LGBT rights, But everything. I mean at least Bernie supported LGBT equality, Even when it wasn't "Politically safe" to do so.

    ---------- Post added 19th Jan 2016 at 09:25 PM ----------

    Sorry for double post :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
     
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    I feel like the HRC should have avoid these kinds of endorsement. It makes them too political, while human right problems should be nonpartisan, and both sides have to deal with it.
     
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    So the HRC supports HRC? (Had to get that joke out of the way)


    I'm dissappointed. Bernie Sanders has been a long time advocate of LGBT rights. For Christ sake, he voted against DOMA and Don't Ask Don't Tell while Hillary's husband was trying to make it become law.
     
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    What a shocker. A very sad decision and the once democrat party i was a part of has screwed itself over. Even if Bernie wins the nomination which is possible i don't think a democrat has a chance at winning. Especially since the democratic party has rallied around a deeply flawed candidate with scandals and as much as i admired Bill Clinton his wife is not presidential material. I don't think there is anything remotely exciting about Hilary Clinton. In all honestly even if a democrat wins i can see more losses in the house and senate for years to come. Screw both parties and vote Gary Johnson in 2016!
     
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    I heavily disagree with you dano218, I think that the Republican Party has screwed itself this election, not the Democrats. Democrats are pretty unified in their political positions despite some split over Clinton and Sanders. The Republicans, however, have no fucking idea what's going on. They've got twelve freakin' candidates. They've also got a racist neo-fascist in the lead who the establishment Republicans are afraid to give the nomination. And if they don't give it to Trump, he'll probably run as a third party, take votes away from the Republican nominee (at this point, probably Cruz), and give the election to the Democrats. They've got a deep divide over their moderates and their hard right conservatives that's threatening to tear apart the party. They also still have the issue of getting support from minorities this election who are becoming increasingly important as their numbers grow like people of color, LGBT people, and women. They're beginning to realize that other people in this country actually matter besides straight, rich, white men.

    Also, on Clinton's "flip-flop" on LGBT issues since her time as First Lady, I disagree as well. A LOT has changed since the 1990s. When normal people change their minds, that's okay, but when politicians do it, it's flip-flopping? Give them a break, they're people too! (and we've seen many times throughout history that they're not infallible) Sure, maybe Sanders did it before it was popular opinion, but it shouldn't matter because as long as a Democrat is elected, LGBT rights, specifically trans rights and non-discrimination laws, should only progress further (at least on a federal level). You know, President Obama used to believe in "traditional" marriage and said so in the 2008 election. Some say that Biden forced Obama's hand when he endorsed same-sex marriage first, but even then it was only in 2012 that Obama finally publicly came out in support of it (and only a few months before election day, good timing or what?). Despite this, he doesn't get accused of flip-flopping whatsoever on the issue like Clinton does. (Don't get me wrong though, Obama is my spirit animal.)

    Also, I think all the furor over Clinton's e-mail scandal is pretty ridiculous. Most of it has been blown up by the media, and exaggerated by Republicans in their attacks against her. I think that her supporters have already gotten over it, and those on the fence about her will eventually get over it as well. Even Sanders said we should stop talking about "her damn e-mails" and focus on more important issues.

    What I think might be Clinton's biggest flaw is her approachability. She often comes off as disingenuous and fake. However, even if she's not "somebody you want to have a beer with," I don't think that should be considered heavily in deciding your vote. Bush seemed like a fun guy in 2000, look how those eight years went. I agree with many of Clinton's political positions and I think she has had plenty of experience in Washington to know how to be a good leader. I like Sanders and O'Malley as well, but I think Sanders' image as a revolutionary candidate is just a campaign tool, and his overhaul of our current healthcare system is not realistic. O'Malley is adorable, and I think I'll vote for him in eight years. For now, I know my first vote ever will be for Clinton.

    I know this is long, and it's been a few days since anyone last posted on this thread, but I just had to get that out of my system. I welcome any disagreement to what I've said, but I don't think I'll have much time to write rebuttals this week. I still hope it spurs more political debate.
     
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    When you look at the endorsements, hillary gets them when the board members decide who the entire organization will support.

    Now when you compare that to bernie sanders endorsements, he gets them when the people of the organization vote on who to endorse.

    It makes it clear as day, the oligarchs support clinton and the 99% support bernie. Just look at how scared the ruling class is getting at the possible nomination of sanders, now theyre talking about running another billionaire against bernie, should he get the nomination... Michael bloomberg... its such a joke. The ruling class is in for a shocker this year and i cant wait to watch Sen. Bernie Sanders become President Bernie Sanders.
     
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    It's the Republicans turn to "win." It doesn't matter, anyway, the whole thing is a construct of the lizard high priests.