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  1. dano218

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    Clinton emails labeled 'top secret' | TheHill


    I think now Hilary is probably not gonna stand a chance at winning the White House and even if she loses the nomination to Sanders I don't think Sanders can win either. Lets face it she screwed up big time. I think the democratic party maybe be headed for disaster and a Republican will be elected president. I don't see Clinton as a viable candidate anymore for the White House.
     
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    The numbers simply don't reflect all the doomsday predictions. It's just like Benghazi: nothing more than right-wing propaganda.
     
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    Given the prevalence of leaks in the US government since Wikileaks, I honestly don't find the email affair that scandalous. It was a breach of procedure and should have been done more carefully (following protocol for classified material), but politicians and other senior officials don't always conduct business through the official and documented channels. Clinton just did it on a larger scale and got caught out.

    The only reason I really find this a problem is because so many emails had to be released while they remain potentially politically damaging. That's normally why senior officials are able to have private or temporarily sealed communication anyway.

    But I don't think this should in any way derail her campaign. What she did was wrong, yes, but it was more of a breach of protocol than a conspiracy to conceal.
     
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    I think her poll numbers are suffering because of the email scandal and also her race with Bernie Sanders is now competitive. This election is gonna be a mess.
     
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    Her poll numbers aren't really doing that badly at all, and you have to look at things from the big picture, not just the way things are now. While Iowa and New Hampshire may be close, Sanders' campaign will probably die a quick, but painful, death when the primaries move elsewhere in the country. Clinton is taking 62% of the vote in South Carolina, and she has a 19 1/2 point lead over Sanders in Nevada. Hillary holds a 30-point lead in Massachusetts, 34 points in Minnesota, 30 points in North Carolina, 22 points in Oklahoma, 35 points in Louisiana, 13 points in Michigan, 39 points in Florida, and 19 points in Ohio. 14 in Alaska, 26 in Arizona, 5 in Arkansas, 11 in California, 13 in Colorado, and 19 in Connecticut.

    As for the general, this is what the polls are showing at this very moment. You'll notice that there are only three swing states that are too close to call, and even if all three went Republican, Hillary wins the election with 270 votes. Republicans would have to flip Virginia, where Clinton leads by at least 7 points against every Republican except Trump and Rubio-she leads the Donald by two touchdowns, and Rubio by four.

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    I am fairly certain the next president will be a Republican. Sanders is not going to win the nomination, and Hilary is not going to win the general election. She's certainly not going to be punished for any of the things she's done, seeing as how she's clearly at a point where her political status makes her immune to the law, but this stuff is not just going to magically go away because she pretends she's done nothing wrong. If you put this next to her general unlikable nature and poor speaking ability combined with the likelihood of going against an aggressive speaker like Trump it will more than likely be detrimental to her campaign.
     
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    The numbers I've seen show that none of the republicans seem electable at this stage. It's literally a clown car; they don't have anyone remotely sensible that's currently running.

    As for Hillary, I don't think anyone gives a shit about the emails. There are a lot more important things.
     
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    The Real Clinton Email Scandal: Our Ridiculous Classification Rules - POLITICO Magazine

    This article outlines why it's hard to lambast a politician for breaking protocol about classified material because the definition of that is just insane.

     
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    When hillary loses both iowa and new Hampshire, other states will follow. No one is going to want to support a candidate that is 0-2 against a socialist, as the hillary clinton supports always love to point out as if its an insult...theres a thing called momentum in politics.
     
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    Problem is that you're more than likely not going to make up a 19-point deficit in one week. Hillary will be cruising after Iowa and New Hampshire, and I'm predicting that Iowa will go for Hillary (where she leads by 8 percentage points) and New Hampshire will go for Sanders, and that will be his only hurrah.
     
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    Hillary leads by 8 points in Iowa? Only one poll I've seen said that. Most of the polls have Bernie and Clinton within 4 points of eachother, which is within the general margin of error so it's unreliable.

    Ted Cruz is more electable than Trump. The thing is that Ted Cruz lies so much that it's actually scary to think about what lengths he will go through to win the election. Even some of his Republican senator co-workers hate him so much they would vote for Bernie over him. I hope Trump gets the nomination, because that would mean a Democratic win regardless about who the Democratic candidate is (well, assuming it's not O'Malley).

    Bernie is, however, more electable than Bernie. Although Clinton has more support, there are many many Hillary supporters that wouldn't mind voting for Bernie if they had to. Bernie, on the other hand, has a lot of anti-Clinton Democrats who would probably not vote at all if Clinton gets the nomination (which could cost us the election by a very close race). Clinton could easily lose to Cruz, but Bernie actually polls well over Cruz if you compare only them two.





    Now... back to topic. I actually don't really think it's as big of a deal if the emails are "classified". It doesn't mean she herself did anything wrong, otherwise there might be some real charges being put against her. It just means she dealt with classified information, which I'm pretty sure she was well within her rights to do.
     
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    I think it's bull. Hilary will still probably get the nomination. Cary Florida says she stands a chance against Hilary which she most certainly does not! If Hilary doesn't get the nomination then a republican will most likely be our next president.
     
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    Unless of course if Bernie gets the nomination. Polls show more people would vote for Bernie
    over Trump.
     
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    :smilewave
    I don't know though. Because they said trump needs at least 60% in the polls to beat Hilary and he's at 64% so anything is possible.
     
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    Although I'm not willing to bet money on Hillary winning Iowa just yet, I agree with the bolded part of what you said. I don't think the email issue will matter to most Democrats, unless an indictment happens, which I doubt so far.

    ---------- Post added 30th Jan 2016 at 08:48 PM ----------

    I would hope so, but I've been disappointed before in election results. :frowning2:
     
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    Is Hilary going to jail? :frowning2:
     
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    A supposed 19 point lead will be easy to make up when you have an fbi investigation going on around you, you go 0-2 to a democratic socialist, and your husband is dealing with being connected to a pedophile who had underaged sex slaves at a location that bill visited 10 different times. Its one thing to have a business partner who is a pedophile, its another to visit his private island where he has pictures of underaged girls plastered on the wall and go back to that location 9 more times. What a sick fuck.
     
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    It doesn't matter which of them gets it. They're both getting, and I quote Trump on that, ''schlonged''. Trump is all about winning, and Americans are obsessed with winning :icon_bigg


    I'm sure President Donald Trump would pardon her when he is in office (&&&)
     
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    I'm not really sure how much impact this is really going to have on the race. In a typical year, it might have played a role, but everything is all over the place for both parties this year, so there's no simple pendulum for support to swing backwards and forwards on. The Clinton campaign itself claims that the emails weren't classified at the time in which they were sent to this server, and the only side that's really going to push hard on the email scandal is the side that is, at least at this point, going to nominate Donald Trump. He's certainly going to use it as a battering ram, but we also have no idea what issues Democrats are going to dig up about him to undermine his campaign. He's already running on a platform of issues that his own party has spoken out again (specifically the temporary ban on non-citizen Muslims entering the US), and there's a whole range of other private affairs they could potentially use for mud-slinging purposes. If anything, all this might just contribute to a lower turnout, if the election really does turn sour. The key group to watch will be those who are independent, and there's not really much to know about them at this point in time. Once the nominations are finalised and the campaign is underway, we'll start to get a sense of that. It's far too early to know at this stage.

    I would be gobsmacked if this stopped Clinton getting the nomination though. I was reading a fascinating article the other day by Nate Silver, and he outlined the demographics of Sanders' support base and how applicable it is to the voters in each state (see article here). In a nutshell, Clinton's support is strongest amongst African Americans, Hispanics, and moderate Democrats, whilst Sanders appears strongest amongst white liberals. Based on the last 'open' democratic caucus in 2008, New Hampshire and Iowa were 2nd and 3rd respectively for having the largest number of 'white' and 'liberal' electorate. The article has a full breakdown and elaborates further, but what it's essentially saying is that these are states that Sanders should be able to win. If he doesn't win both, it's highly unlikely that you will expect to then see him dominate in the many other states which have a voter base that is much more favourable to Clinton.

    Of course, it's just a statistical prediction so it could be wrong, but it's interesting nonetheless. Unless there's a dramatic surge in other demographics supporting Sanders, or this issue causes the Clinton campaign to completely fall apart, then I think Hillary is still the presumptive nominee. If Trump or Cruz gets the Republican nomination, I suspect we'll find a lot of Sanders supporters begrudgingly voting democrat just to minimise the chance of a Republican presidency. A moderate and inconsistent democrat may not be their cup of tea, but it's easily going to be the lesser of two evils.
     
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    No. People of her political status can do whatever they want and walk away with a slap on the wrist and nothing more. If she was a normal person she would be in prison for the rest of her life, but she's too rich and powerful to get in trouble.