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General News Trump and Sanders (projected) as clear winners in New Hampshire

Discussion in 'Current Events, World News, & LGBT News' started by Typhoon, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. Typhoon

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    With results coming in, both candidates are clear winners, with Trump emerging initially with nearly 50% of the Republican vote until it was evened out.

    Currently:

    Trump 34%
    Kasich 17% (looking like the runner-up)
    Bush 12% (must have gotten a lot of pity votes :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: )
    Cruz and Rubio are tied at 10% - literally 10-20 votes apart consistently and replacing each other
    Christie 9%
    Fiorina 4%
    Carson 2%

    Sanders 53%
    Clinton 40%
     
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    Well good. I hope they both win the candidacies. :slight_smile:
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    I am surprised Bush did so well. That is good news for him!
     
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    Well I am not surprised and i still cannot see Bernie winning the presidency and personally i cannot see myself voting for him. I think he will alienate moderates and weaken the democratic party if he ever becomes presidents. He does not seem like a bipartisan type of figure and in Clinton's defense she has a more realistic view how to get things done in Congress and make things work for America.
     
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    Funny you should say that. Democrats voted 50/50 for Bernie/Hillary, but Bernie got 72% of independents while Hillary only got 27%.
     
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    Good to see Sanders doing well. I expected that from NH. As for the Republican side, anyone but Cruz, so Trump doing well is fine with me.
     
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    Living a couple states over from NH it scares me that that many people voted for Trump.
     
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    I'm glad Sanders is doing well. I honestly hate all the Republican candidates so I don't really have an opinion on the results
     
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    Clinton just needs the African-American and Latino voters. But ultimately Trump will get the whole thing in the bag.
     
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    Did anybody see the video of Bernie shooting hoops? The old dude has skills. :lol:
     
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    Well done Bernie - and Trump is probably a less scary prospect than Cruz so I'm not fussed. The Republican Party is pretty reprehensible in all its forms.
     
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    I'm honestly concerned that so many people think Sanders would good be a good president. Clinton may be a criminal, but at least she understands basic economics. Donald Trump just wants attention and isn't seriously going to do anything. Sanders would be worse than the economy than George W. Bush and I'd honestly rather have my 5 year old cousin be president.

    As for the Republican nomination, I don't really understand that. Kasich and Trump are basically Democrats, except for their "traditional values".
     
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    No he wouldn't - you keep on saying this but it's complete crap. His ideas are not radical at all, or economically unfeasible. By American standards he might seem like a socialist but in Europe he'd be centre left and nothing more. Sanders' entire campaign would be rendered obsolete here because everything he is campaigning for already exists.

    This fear of 'socialism' that Americans have honestly makes you look stupid. It's completely unreasonable.
     
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    I am pleased to see Bernie doing so well.

    The Clinton years though prosperous were fraught with scandal and hints of scandal. Neither are to be trusted. Nixon resigned over what essentially the same crime as Nixon committed. The pardons and the gift grab executed at the end of their tenure was obscene. Hence the nickname, America's Evita

    Those that are supporting Hillary merely, because it's "time" for a female president, are displaying the rankest sexism. Madeline Albright and Gloria Steinem should be ashamed of themselves. They have shown themselves to be voting with their vaginas instead of their heads.

    Under no circumstances could I possibly see myself voting for Clinton. She is as much in debt to big banks and Wall Street as any Republican. I will write in Bernie's name on my ballot. I may be "throwing away" my vote, but I will be voting my conscience, and isn't that more important.
     
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    Personally, I'm against socialism because I think personal freedom is directly related to economic freedom and I value liberty above everything else.

    The United States isn't Europe. We can't hold them to the same standards. North Korea's government is ridiculous here, but in North Korea it's accepted. Onto Sanders's ideas.

    Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour will lead to increased unemployment. Small businesses will have to raise the prices of their goods and services so they can make enough money, therefore, as the minimum wage goes up, so will the price of living. It will also hurt inexperienced workers, because with the higher cost of employees, they'll only want to hire the best. It's throwing young people under the bus. 79% of economists believe raising the minimum wage at all would be harmful, let alone to $15. And besides, people working is a mutual agreement--not everyone needs or wants to work at $15 an hour. I would happily agree to work at something below the current minimum wage for experience, and I don't see why the government needs to ban that.

    Free college would lead to something like inflation for diplomas. If everybody has a degree, it won't mean anything anymore. People will have to get a PhD for what they used to only need a Bachelor's for. It'll lead to more unemployed young people, higher taxes, and a higher national debt.

    His healthcare plan would cost almost 1.4 trillion dollars a year. This "medicare for all" would lead to increased demand for it, causing long waits for healthcare. Just look at Canada, where they have to wait 3 years. People making over $10 million a year would be taxed 52% (when is especially useless considering only around 8,000 people actually make that much in the U.S.) which would actually decrease government revenue, because it is way over the Laffer curve--not even touching the ethical issues of taxes that high.

    And let us not forget the national debt, which is at $19 trillion dollars (over 100% of the GDP). The solution to debt is not to spend more.

    Disagree all you want, but my opinions aren't completely unreasonable.
     
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    Name a time when an increase in the minimum wage led to increased unemployment... has never happened.

    You increase peoples pay, theyll have more money to spend into the economy thus increasing demand in the market place. Its basic economics. The best way to stimulate the economy is from the bottom up. Trickle down hasnt worked and it never will work.

    You right we are not europe, we are far wealthier and offer our citizens far less.

    There arent long lines in canada, thats just not true, its a republican talking point. Not a single canadian i know buys into that bs.

    If the wealthy would pay their fair share and not stash their money over seas like the unamerican, traitors that they are, we wouldnt have a debt. Not to mention no one on wall st going to jail after crashing the world economy.... oh no, i forgot, food stamps cause the economic collapse, not wall st....smh

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    And your argument against free college is laughable. Too many people will be smarter and make it harder to find a job because there will be an increase in intellectuals....man, thats such a terrible result, lets stay in the stone ages so that only the ruling class can get an education and so we cant compete in the global economy

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    Hahahhaha NAILED IT! well said
     
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    You do realize economists are predicting that the economy would boom under Sanders policies and crash if Trump becomes president.

    Bush economy failed due to his tax cuts and endless spending (war).
     
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    I'll have to look into what economists said that about Sanders, but yeah, Trump sucks too.

    I know. GWB hurt us by spending too much, so it follows that spending less would help us.
     
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    Well gosh, when I read your response I figured I must have accidentally come off as rude for you to respond in such an incredibly condescending manor. Looking back, I'm not sure what that was, but if anything I said was offensive I'm sorry. It's clear where we're divided: I value liberty more and you appear to value equality of outcome more.

    Minimum wage does have negative outcomes. Look at what happened in Seattle, I've heard small business owners say it made business harder for them. It's bound to have repercussions, they've got to get the money from somewhere.

    And regardless, what's wrong with a voluntary exchange of goods and services? And people being in charge of their own well being. Most minimum wage workers can get their foot in the door with it, and get raises. If I'm willing to work for $5 an hour, why should the federal government tell me I can't? Does wanting more control mean that you think people can't be trusted to make their own economic decisions? If so, how is them voting on it to make everyone follow what they think is best any better?

    According to The Health Council of Canada there are longer waiting times.

    Europe is less wealthy because they offer more.

    The wealthy should be taxed at a higher rate than poor people. I don't disagree with you on that, but I would argue that 52% is much higher than their fair share. As long as people pay reasonable taxes (they're high enough now), it's the government cutting spending that would lower the debt. Wallstreet did mess up the economy more than foodstamps do, what did I say that contradicts that?

    As for "trickle down economics", people usually mean that as Ronald Reagen's economics or supply side economists. If you mean Ronald Reagen's economics, I actually don't agree with him on cutting taxes. If you mean supply siders, they're usually Keynesian so ???

    For college, it's not about people being more educated, it's about degrees not meaning anything. You need degrees to get most good-paying jobs, not just intelligence. Also the education would be terrible, because it would be about quantity rather than quality.