Rep. King (R-IA): Gay marriage undermines individual rights and liberties

This is why I want to move away when I graduate college. American politics has gone down the toilet. It's all name-calling and shouting now...

 

politics aint no better here its name calling and handbags at noon >..>

but whatever every country has these right wing nut jobs.....BNP ...*shudders* i swear if they got into power here i would leave if i had to take a row boat

 

He is only saying it because he wants the support of other small minded and often highly unedjucated voters.

Okay, we can either have democrats/liberals, who push social agendas that give everyone the right to be treated equally as human beings *which contrary to the idiots who dont know what socalisem really is, but banty the word about with abandon, is far from socalisem in its true form*

Or we can have republicans/conservatives who push for a facist system of class structure and caste systems, which equates the value of a human being based on the ammount of money they make, and purposely puts in place systems that prevent people from truly advancing without luck, or luck of birth. Who build systems that divide and catagorize people on the base of gender, race, ethnicity, religion, and sexual orientation, and frequently promote the idea of a single ideology running goverment *which is the lynchpin of facisem, a unchallangeable governeing body that only allows for a single ideological concept.*

In america, the facist push is for a religious authority over goverment, which is both against the founding of the country, and also shown by history to be deadly. Also, it is being pushed by people who contradict and convulute the very religious teachings they claim to follow.

Jesus christ was a socialist, not a conservative. his ministry put the focus on helping the poor, the sick and infirm, and the opressed. he spoke out and fought against the tyranny of the rich and aristocratic ruling classes that set up systems that kept those in need in need and pushed to the side like trash. he himself was from noble birth, and he choose not to acknowledge it because it represented earthly power and title, and was unimportant in the face of the suffering of others. he spoke how the haves have a moral responcbility to the have-nots.

we see a similer structure in place in the political right wing. They value the wealthy and the corporations, and fight to provide assistance to them through huge tax breaks compaired to tiny, measely ones 96 percent of america are given because they are not insanly rich. they fight to deregulate laws that prevent corporations from just railroading the american econamy. examples of corporations they fought to deregulate are:

banks, mortage lenders, industrical and manafacturing corporations, health insurance companies, wall street, investment companies...

hmmm, I wonder if these congolomerates have ever let the american econamy go down?

Let the nutjobs on the far right say whatever they want. They only make themselves look stupid. lets just put a push for more moderate democrats and republicans to be elected, because the far extremes of both parties are really screwing us over.

 

I agree with this 100%.

Politics is a fighting game and both parties will do whatever it takes to try to beat up the other. The Democrats are trying to hold power and throw their power in the Republicans face. (I am a Democrat and I feel it is damn well time for someone to put it to the Republicans...jmo) Also, the Republicans are still in mourning for the loss of power and the loss of the Presidency. And the fight will always go on....

 

the two party system is both vital and the downfall

Clashing idologies keep open debate... but what we are seeing from the far extremes of the right isnt debate... it is outright ignorance and hate.

 

Not that I'm condoning what Mr. King, a the lot that cast with him, said; but if you're going to try and put together an argument against "unedjucated" voters, learn how to spell uneducated. It does no one any good to just banter back and forth. Obama, if he has his way, will do his best to further the U.S. to a socialist state, already do the top 10% income earners, those who gross over $127,000, pay 67% of income taxes in this country, and their average tax rate was well into the 30% range. How do you think Obama is going to pay for national health care, he can't possibly want to raise taxes on the people it's supposed to help, so that leave the richer people to pay for the poorer people, and in any definition of the word, redistribution of wealth is the very beginnings of Socialism, look it up.

 

Well, if we are going to talk about fairness, the tax cuts given to the wealthy are larger than what 90% of americans pay in percantag of their income compaired to those 10%. There is such a disconnect in he tax code, that the people who dont need help get the help, and the people who do need the help dont get it.

Should we be a goverment for the people by the people, or for the wealthy and the corporation *which led to the ecomonic downturn of the american and global econamy*. We need to remeber the ideal that this nation was founded on, that all men are created equel, and yet, what makes the wealthy better and more valued and worthy than 90% of america, that they are give breaks to help them when they should be able survive quite easily on si figures when most americans have to survive on 20k-40k.

Our culture is too defined by greed. republicans dont want equality for people based on religion, race, socioeconomic class, gender, and sexual orientation. They have set up basically a imperealstic ruling class, and stack the odds against anyone who doesnt fit in with this wealth based view of elitisem.

Everyone should have a even footing. I am not saying distribute the wealth, but everyone should have the same chances to suceed. but we dont. If you gay, you are a second class citizen. if you are a woman, who cares if you think you deserve equal pay for equal effort with men. Who cares if you work hard your entire life to support your family, and struggle to get ahead, its your fault for not having a higher paying job *expecailly since they arent plentiful and are dwindling thanks to corporate greed has turned capitalisem away from growth, to filling the pocketbooks of board members*.

For a nation that is suposed to serve the people, and was founded on the belief that everyone is suposed to be equel, we are failing miserably. We allow systems of imperalistic castes to be formed, and now we are reading the economic disaster a country ruled by greed has caused.

We dont treat people with human decency and respect, and only care about ourselves. so what! a person has to forgoe buying a new 60k sports car every year to pay equel percentage of taxes to fund programs that will help people afford healthcare which will help them economicly because less people will be losing their jobs and going bankrupt due to illness, meaning, they have more money to invest back into the system through consummer purchases and saving, which provides resource for banks to make loans *hopefully both banks and people have learned lessons from the greed fueled collapse of the world econamy*. They are able to afford more services, which in turn provides more capital to companies to expand and grow, and thereby create more jobs, which lowers the unemployment rate and allows more people to have a better quality of living.

We need to remeber that this nation is founded on the value of human beings. We need o value everyone, regardless of their ethnicity, religious beliefs, sexual orientation, economic class, or gender. We need to put the american people back as the number one priority of this country and its goverment. We need to stop putting profit ahead of human lives.

This nation only works when it is working for the good of the people. Clearly, putting profit ahead of people hasnt worked, nor has it ever, and has spelled economic down turn whenever the right forces it through.

People like Rep. King just dont get it. They are destorying america by dividing it, and saying "well you are gay, so your not important and arent a true america! Well, you are black, so your not a true american either! and your poor, so go die, cause it is not like you matter."

 

I love this comment on the link for the audio:

XD

 

Hyposcracy seems to be the cornerstone of american politics.

I am still waiting for a anti-gay rights politiction (or anyone for that matter) to lay out a reasoned and logical explanation why allowinh to gay takes away rights from heterosexuals, and apply it to the founding of america that states all men are created equel.

 

I'd love to see it myself. But we never will. Because it is simply not true, and they're too afraid to admit it. They are saying what they need to to keep them in office. And, if their constituents are bible-thumping gay haters, the politician will say what the voters want to hear. Even if what they want to hear is a completly baseless lie.

As I said, they do what they need to do to say in office.

 

what is funny, republicans do more to undermine individual rights and freedoms than any group within american policy... other then the far right/far left anti goverment extremists, but thankfully, they hate goverment, so we dont see them getting elected.

 

In case any of you were interested, I found a similar thread when I was having my daily dose of tennis forums :lol:

Here it is. Some good opinions here.

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=391880

 

Wow, they are getting a little heated. Of course, this is a gay support forum, so we arent likly to use 'bitch' in that usage of he word towards other members...

I have class, but will read the other three pages of the tennisforum discussion when I get back in two hours.

but it only reaffirms what I have known for years; republicans dont even know what socalisem is.

oh, and couldnt stop reading:

"The first step in maintain/defending marriage is to tell those family value advocates to keep their dicks in their pants and out of other women that are not their wives."

huzzaah!!!

 

That thread is going to be a great read for me. I love debates, and, no offense to this forum ours tend to be a little one sided on this issue. :lol:

 

for the most part, I think the tennis forum is fairly onesided on this issue also.

Bubi keeps repeating illogical statements full of holes. We should castrate/tubetie them so that they arent allowed to get married when their view of marriage is only there to pop out babies is enacted.

 

Eh, at least there was a different side. Was still fun to read.

Still, those illogical arguments are the same ones that I see in any other debate over the issue. I have yet to see a compelling argument against gay marriage. It's all just bigotry like that Bubi was spouting.

I don't remember where I found the attached image, but all credit for its awesomeness is due to whomever its due to. (View it fullscreen so you can actually read it.)

 

lol.

"whats non-sequitur mean? do I have to look it up in a fag-to-english dictionary?"

that.... IS... AWESOME!!!