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ex-gay movement and their involvement in the anti-gay bill in Uganda

Discussion in 'Current Events, World News, & LGBT News' started by overlucid, Dec 9, 2009.

  1. overlucid

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    On her show for Tuesday, 08 September 2009, Dr. Rachel Maddow took on the ex-gay movement and their involvement in the crafting of a law in Uganda which would not only make homosexuality illegal, but impose the death penalty for gays with HIV/AIDS or life imprisonment for simply being gay.

    http://lezgetreal.com/?p=23615
     
  2. Just Adam

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    cohens a douche ...she was great.


    this whole uganda thing makes me feel ill since i joined Ec ive read so many things from across the world of lgbt people beeing tortured killed and despised...

    my message to every lgbt person in uganda or friends of ...jsut elave jsut pack up and leave if somewhere wants to be intolelrant and backward leave and watch it be reduced to nothign die out and over taken by someone else swolloed up by a larger country..

    as much as the ugansa thing makes me feel sick this guy makes me mad...

    he did not care he was beeing used to jsutify the killing of gay people all he cared was trying to premote himself and his company seeling y ou books....


    how teh feck does race or divorce play a part in beeing gay...

    and just so everyone knows everythign he says is complete rubbish. you are who you are theres nothign to cure and if you even try to believe in it you will end up liek that douche.. a guy who got married trying to be self righteous and he cheated on he still wants men,... this guy deluded himself and the sad thin is brought children into this :frowning2: i really hope they are not liek him and are ashamed of what eh does...he does not help or cure he just lets people delude themselves of who they really are and throw them behind so many closets its liek beeing beuried alive in ikea.

    i remember what its liek not knowing what you are who you are and wanting to be different but you just got to accept that jsut doesent happen you cant change yourself...

    you cant change human nature be it good or bad...and in his case ugly... i ahte that man and i pitty him in a way but im not sure i can forgive him for what he does profiting on gay peoples confusion...they need acceptance and support ...understanding, not hopes of a cure that you can be like everyone else...they allready are liek teh millions of others.
     
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    According to Uganda law that would mean millions of children with HIV will be executed....it's simply sickening.
     
  4. Just Adam

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    seems rational thinking to me.















    if your the type of peopel that thinks killing good peopel based on who they love is rational >.>
     
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    ...That must have been hard for Rachel to report about. :frowning2: We can only be glad that we're gay and born in the first world...

    That's a sick story. Seee?? See the problems religion causes?! If we got rid of religion and just had spirituality and a sense of community I think the world would be a better place.


    And Rachel can be my Dr any day..
     
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    she did well controling her temper at him i would of been fing and blinding the fool...

    as for getting rid of religion thing is if one goes another will take its place ...as religion is only an ideal or a belief someone puts out there and people follow behind it and someoen tehy know follows etc etc...humans love to follow things to be lead or to find a way to live. humans are pack animals surviving better as a whole together in a group... and following a large group just feelsright to them...tis why people will follow stupid things jsut to be part of things.
     
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    I watched it last night, and wanted to strangle the douchebag cohen... not because of his debunked views, but because he spent most of the time shirking around questions instead of answering them. he knew he had trapped himself, and kept trying to pretend rachel was making things up when it was all in his books.

    fundementalist christianity will be and already are, are the last holdouts in all social movements. Anti-semitisem, racisem, sexism, and slowly, homophobia are becoming more and more elements of fundementalist christanity within american soceity. As society become more accepting of a group, we see the fundementalists often being the holdouts. They dont like change... and even though their form of christanity is only about 150 years old, predominatly more so in he last 70-80 years when their practices started to grow, they do like to pretend that even though history says otherwise, that there way of practicing christianty is traditional.

    Aside from the fact that the actual bible is the biggest threat to a fundementalist...

    The Ex-Gay movement relies on fundementalisem because even the other chirstian churches, who are fairly anti-gay, are no where near as extrimist to support things such as repairative therapy.
     
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    See, it isn't religion so much as it is the misapplication and misinterpretation of religion that has been at the heart of so many of our ills. Remember - National Socialism of the kind Hitler pushed in the 1930's and 1940's in Germany was essentially an atheistic movement, as Christians and Jews were placed into Concentration Camps at the same rate as GLBT folks were. You have to challenge the culture that gives birth to these lies, and I think that's a seperate issue from specific religious doctrines.

    I agree, though...I cannot imagine having to report on that kind of story and keep my temper. It would be very difficult for anyone.

    I agree with this. The wolf pack mentality, the folks who say homosexuality is evil, but they have no support for their argument other than to say "Well, the Bible says so", without ever finding anything to back up that view. Of course, if they actually read the book, they'd see the contradictions, but the idea of standing on your own is far too terrifying. One of the reasons I am grateful for my sexual orientation is that it taught me over time the power that comes from standing on my own. Of course, we have other folks that we can lean on, but the willingness to stand on your own and confront the wolf pack mentality, it's something that we have to do early on as GLBT people.

    Before coming out, I attended a church that had one of these groups. I would come home and cry for these people because they believed that they could pray the gay away...it was one of the things that finally forced me to confront my own sexuality in an honest way. The thing most people don't talk about is that the ex-gay movement relies on a special kind of hatred. The fundamentalists hate things that are different from themselves. The ex-gay movement institutionalizes and conditions people to hate something different within themselves. There's a special level of disgust I feel for those people, and I loved the way Rachel took this idiot to task for the stuff that he wrote.
     
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    gotta love teh X-MEN they so nailed what its like to be gay... people fear what they dont understand and they lash out with that fear and it turns to hatred for what they dont understand tehy say is different and whats different scares them and what scares tehm must be bad and wrong...

    you should never had to of cried :frowning2: nobody should...i said it before and ill say it again theres nothign to cure people are who they are... even those biggots are who they are and they cant cure us as sure as we cant seem to cure them.
     
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    Well, I think there is something that can be done to challenge bigotry. When well-intentioned people hear lies like the whole "they want to recruit your children" schtick, that's where the power of coming out can play a role. We can show them that never once did we try to "recruit"...we were open and honest about our own lives, but we never tried anything so ridiculous. Challenging the stereotypes is what will change hearts and minds...but the ex-gay movement is kind of like the last gasp, trying to confront the growing consensus against discrimination in a way that sounds good but that doesn't require their instititionalized bigotry to be challenged. It's going to be a long process, but one where we come out on the winning side. Every time I think about those meetings, I remind myself of that.

    And thanks - it's telling that this group, myself included, has double digits in terms of people who attended only to figure out the obvious, that there's nothing we needed to be cured of because there is nothing wrong with us. So I'd say a good trade - a few months of sadness for a lifetime of self-respect :slight_smile:
     
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    I am playing around with writing something just for the purpose of exploring how children factor into gay rights and civil rights movements in general. I am a total geek that way... I will write something as if I was writing a essay for a class to explore a concept.

    Right now, as I consider what I would say, I have decided to call it 'The manifesto of the Gay Mafia', simply because like the 'they recruit your children to turn them gay' lie, anti-gay whackjobs loves to claim there is a gay mafia.
     
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    So, for those who have been following the coverage Rachelo Maddow has been giving on her show, she has been highlighting the link between prominent social conservative politicians and those pushing the bill in Uganda. Today, Tom Coburn, one of the most anti-gay members of the U.S. Senate came out publically and denounced the Ugandan bill. Andrew Sullivan reported on this in his blog:

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/12/tom-coburn-withdraw-the-uganda-law.html

    This is the kind of unequivocal denunciation that was needed on this. A week too late, but better late than never, as the saying goes. Tom Coburn is wrong on a great deal where the cause of equality is concerned, but I was surprised and pleased to see this statement today.