Voter groups are splitting amongst themselves. What a pretty sight. Of course! Because gays vote Democrat because they're all socialist right?
I always vote Republican and i don't consider myself a self-loathing Nazi. I just simply drink too much and like boys. And yes...I know your post was in jest.
thank you. Socialisem, nazi, communist, facist, wealth redistribution, muggles... they are just incorrectly used buzzwords employed by people who dont know their historical/factual meanings, and dont want people to realize that their own policies are shit. they are distractions. sick of being called a socalist simply because I think it is wrong to run a country for the top 2% at the detriment of the 98% of the country that actually have to work hard for what little they get.
Well, the problem that I see is the fact that the tax burden will continue to increase for those that are wealthy...and according to The White House, if you make 250K a year you are wealthy. I simply disagree, I'm sorry, I don't hate rich people. I can't figure out why some on the far left do. Maybe it's envy, I don't know. If you love jobs, you can't hate the job creator. You say you are sick of being called a socialist....well I'm sick of having to pay taxes for bailouts, stimulus bills and studies on how cow farts effect ozone. And I'm sick of picking up the slack for the close to 50% of Americans who pay no taxes at all. As I said before, to have the thought that "let's sock it to the rich because they can afford it" is no way to establish a tax policy.
Looks like you never read one of those studies or you would know that cow farts release methane which has bugger all to do with the ozone layer. Or are you one of headuptheirassers who continue to deny global warming? Or are you just against government funding for scientific research? And for that matter, where are you pulling these statistics that 50% of Americans don't pay taxes? And since when is taxing based on income a bad idea? There should be a gradient based on living expenses (where you live) and income. You can't possibly suggest that people who make less than 12k a year should be paying the same proportion of taxes as someone who makes 250k a year. And I'm not implying that you should tax the rich until all their hard-work (or luck of birth) money is taken away, so don't put words in my mouth. Inquiring right-leaning minds want to know, so explain. GOProud is a shit organization. They really should focus on supporting gay rights considering they are a gay organization. You can't simply go 'tralala, we are okay with the rights taken away from us from within our own political party' and then run off to chat about the benefits of Ann Coulter's lunacy. It makes no sense. Though, I have to say that the Democrats aren't really that much better when it comes to gay rights. Is it so much to ask for a just right-of-center, socially progressive party? :dry:
I don't think I ever mentioned GOProud...nor am I associated with them. It's not an opinion that 48% of Americans payed no taxes during the last FY, it is a fact...these are figures from both the CBO and the National Tax Policy Organization. I never have stated that no one should not pay their fair share, but I think that the general attitude of resentment toward those that are successful by some of those in Washington simply puzzles me. Should someone who makes 12K a year pay the same amount as someone who makes 250K a year, from a percentage basis yes. That obviously does not equate into an actual dollar amount. But I'm a flat tax guy. Should those that have estates that are worth millions be taxed at 55% after they die? No. It's simply an issue of double taxation, and it is unfair.
Ah. The GOProud reference was er... referring to the topic of the thread. Something you felt the need to ignore when you initially posted. I should have change topics a bit better, I suppose. Holy crap. A quick google (and I apologize for questioning your facts) seems to have revealed some interesting facts about the tax system in the USA. Some of the tax cuts I agree with (starting a business, childcare costs, college costs), but things like improving your energy efficiency with better windows will save you money even if you don't consider the tax cuts. Though it should be noted that those who escape paying income tax still have to pay other taxes, so it isn't like 50% of people never pay taxes at all ever. And I'm totally on board with you about the 'death/inheritance' taxes. It is revolting. And taxing someone for winning a prize like the lottery? Also, stupid. But I am a firm believer in the percentage reflecting the income and the living expenses. Some people really can afford to pay more money. Saying that everyone should pay 30% straight across the board neglects to take so much into account that I consider that unfair.
>>>Something you felt the need to ignore when you initially posted. Well, when I originally posted I was posting a light hearted response to a light hearted statement...which is where the initial discussion really began. Of course, those that pay no Federal Taxes pay other taxes...sales tax, etc. But the US Government does not operate off sales taxes. As far as taxing something such as lottery winnings, well, I do see the point in that. That is additional income, so it should be taxed accordingly. I still think it's a bad idea to base a tax policy on the notion that if someone can afford to pay more then they should.
Eh. I suppose I was a bit snippety when talking about you choosing to ignore what the thread is about. Sorry. Well then, we will have to agree that you are wrong to disagree on this point. And out of curiosity why is winning money as a prize a form of income, but inheriting money from your great uncle Lester not? Sure, it is technically your great uncle Lester's money, but he's dead so it isn't like he can use it or even gives a damn anymore.
Lol, we will agree to disagree The difference between inheriting money from Uncle Lester and winning $50 million in a lottery is the fact that Uncle Lester has already paid taxes on that money that he has left you. If you win $50 million, that money has not yet been taxed. BTW, I do love Montreal. One of my favorite cities in the world. Probably the best gay village I have ever been to. I love it when they close the streets off in the summer.
Well put in regards to the lottery stuff. Seems completely reasonable to me. Congrats. You have successfully made me think about changing my opinion. :icon_bigg And yeah. Montreal is really nice. You may all now return to your regularly scheduled thread.
<.< >.> WTF a Liberal and Conservative members of EC actually had a discussion without locking the thread. Good lord now I've seen everything.
I can respect the Log Cabin Republicans. I like low taxes, small government, so I can understand why someone would want to be a Republican, of the Rockefeller Yankee Republican sort. But if I were an American voter, in most cases I'd vote Democrat, because cultural and social issues trump that given the alternative. The Log Cabins have had a recent achievement, they've managed to get Don't Ask Don't Tell deemed unconstitutional in a federal court. What have GOProud done? I find them pathetic really. They backed Fiorina over Tom Campbell, who would have been a brilliant candidate, solid on all the issues. Instead of making an effort to shift the Republicans away from their anti-gay position, like the Log Cabins have done, however unfruitfully, GOProud seem to be saying that taxes trump gay issues so much that they're not going to even bother with the latter.
I believe the belief (?) is that the country is in such peril under the current administration that it's far more important to halt the trainwreck-in-progress and undo as much damage as is humanly possible. And it's worth shelving the current social agenda until that can be accomplished. Lex
I don't really see how being gay should automatically incline a person to vote for a certain party. I would certainly not hesitate to vote for a right of centre party but that may be because that gay rights and social issues in general usually means a free vote in Australia.
That's all cool. But that doesn't explain why they'd pick Fiorina over Campbell. It's not as Campbell was out there making social issues a priority over the economy, bar occasions like writing an article in Reason before the Prop 8 calling for a No vote. And he was promoted by Reason this year, hardly a progressive Obama trainwreck-in-progress type publication, if that's their problem. I'm a member myself of a conservative party, so could be accused of pushing my own interest down. My problem with GOProud is that almost go out of their way not to push any gay rights issue.
Always preferred the Log Cabin Republicans. They're at least having some success killing DADT through the court system.
