Republicans block repeal of DADT

Well, at least I still got a way out of the draft :lol:

That's gonna go away. The Reps are gonna put up a fight, but it's as good as gone.

 

"You don't have to be straight to be in the military. You just have to be able to shoot straight." - Sen. Barry Goldwater

 

Not all GOP voted Nay though- Susan Collins broke with party lines and voted for repeal.

 

Well probably will happen within the next few years, just sad for all those that want back in that still have to wait.

 

I made a pledge to myself last year, that if DADT wasn't repealed by December 2010, I would no longer stand during the pledge.

But, my homeroom teacher is a veteran. So I have to stand out of respect. I don't have to, but I don't feel like taking such a chance as to disrespect my teacher on a large level.

 

Tonight we may have one last hope though: Lieberman and Collins are planning on introducing a free-standing bill to repeal DADT tonight and Lieberman says he has 60 votes and that there will be a vote on it before the year ends.

 

I'm amazed that a majority vote isn't enough to pass something. It's just... Wow.

 

That's the entire idea behind the current backwards Republican idea.

I think that filibusterering is ultimately abused now, and should be removed.

A majority is a majority. Nothing should make that change.

 

The Filibuster rule has been in place in The Senate since the 1800's...I don't see it changing anytime soon...nor do I think it should.

 

I don't see why that makes it okay, just because it's old that doesn't make it okay. And of course you don't think it should, it benefits your party. The next time democrats are in the same position the republicans are in now, which is inevitable, they will filibuster everything too, and you will be saying the exact opposite of what you just did.

Also, just so you don't go "so will you!" I think it is just as unfair for democrats the same to republicans. If republicans have a majority vote for one of their bills, it should be passed. It shouldn't be pussy-smacked (new word for fillbustering, because it's a pussy-whiny-baby move.)

 

I don't have to say "You will too" because they already did when Bill Frist was the Majority Leader. The Senate has never been majority rules...it has always been "super majority" rules.

 

That's a stupid policy. Majority wins, even if just by one.

 

Well...that's life. That is how The Senate operates...always has and always will.

 

those stupid republican crones...

 

>>>I'm amazed that a majority vote isn't enough to pass something. It's just... Wow.

Do a bit of research on something called "the tyranny of the majority". You'll probably change your mind pretty quick. These rules aren't arbitrary. Think about it - if the senate is 51-49, it can change all the laws in one direction, and then, if the other side wins two seats a year later, it can switch everything back. Insisting on a super-majority keeps things on a more even keel.

Lex

 

I undertand that but we're talking about a difference of 17 votes. It's not a narrow gap by any means, and how often does a party lose even half of those senate seats in any given election? I understand the need for a "super-majority" kind of system to avoid needless spending but it just seems like even more of a waste to have a bill get the support of a large majority of senators and still not pass.

 

The fact is that until very recently neither party was remotely interested in ending DADT. This little push was bound to fail from the beginning. If Obama had any balls whatsoever (he doesnt) he would have put out an executive order stopping its enforcement. And I don't want to hear about how congress passed the law so the military has to follow it. Under the constitution the Commander in Chief is the president. He has the power the stop this... and he refuses. Hell he has the same stance on gay marriage as John McCain. For the life of me I can't figure why the gay community has any support for him whatsoever. The man has no convictions and no spine. The courts are going to have to put an end to this crap...