This is why I usually bitch around tax time. Not because I have to pay the taxes. But because it's just fucking wasted on horse hockey like this.
so they will require that medicare, medicaid, and social security are cut, throwing our seniors under the bus so they can continue to give huge multi billion dollar subsidiaries to coorporations that are the most profitable on earth, but when it comes to cutting the budget, they are willing to drop buttloads of money denying equal rights. screw the old people, screw the gays, and give welfare to the ultra rich... hows that working out for america?
The GOP is a joke; they won the House back campaigning on jobs jobs jobs but when they gain any power they spend 4 months jizzing over social issues. Typical. It's been this and abortion. I just cannot even. :bang:
I'm not defending this (I don't care about gay marriage, that's just me...not my thing) but what's amazing is that people actually think this is a lot of money...people, this is nothing in Washington terms, and quite honestly I surprised this figure is so low. There is a saying that always floats around Capitol Hill: "A billion here, a billion there...pretty soon we're going to be talking about real money" Could it be spend in a more useful and smarter manner? Of course. But the government really hasn't done anything smart since repealing prohibition.
well, the question is, if we are suposed to be cutting waste, why are they spending half a million denying legal american citizens their rights? The constitution requires fair and equal due process under the law, and yet they want to defend a law that has been deemed unconsitutional by the courts. obama merely said that they view it as unconsitutitional, and will not defend the law in court, leaving it up to the courts or congress to repeal it. The only reason republicans are going to spend taxpayer money on denying the rights of a whole group of legal american citizens is because they will be screwed by the right-wing fundie christians if they don't. In essense, they will be spending taxpayer money to demonize the constitution's promises to the american citizens.
They are spending half a millon dollars defending an Act that they believe is right. The opponents of same-sex marriage are probably also wondering why we are spending all this money and time dooming ourselves to eternal fire. How can we be so biased to even condemn others for defending what they think is right in court?
According to your point of view that is. The Federal Government can fiddle around in its ashtray and get half a million dollars. I never said anything about The President. And no, you are incorrect. Fear of pissing the right wing off is not the only reason why they choose to defend this. That may be your opinion, but it is far from the fact of the situation. I know this may be hard for you to believe, but everything the Republicans do...every vote or stance the Republicans take, is not because they are terrified of the "right wing fundies" as you call them. Some actually believe that marriage should be only between a man and a woman...that is their opinion...that is what they believe, and they are certainly entitled to it. The Constitution also applies to Free Speech as well, you know...even those that disagree with you on this particular issue. I have not read the suit, but in most cases when the Federal Government is sued over a law, The President, The House of Representatives and The Senate are all included as defendants as Representatives of the Government...so it is within their legal authority to defend this action.
You should have read the small print on that election pledge. They campaigned for jobs jobs jobs for lawyers who would help them oppose same-sex marriage laws. I jest, I jesttt! Although to be honest, I'm quite surprised it only costs 500k. Still could have been used somewhere better, but it's a small price for you Americans to pay to watch the Supreme Court bury the law once and for all.
Redstate, it is a matter of constitutional right and wrong. Is is okay to deny rights to one group of american citizens than are extended to another group? Is it right to allow religious whackjobs legislate their beliefs, and in so doing oppress a whole group of american citizens? Do all american's have the right to equal and fair due process under the constitution? You are defending the republicans because they are republicans, but are ignoring that republicans are defending a unconstitutional injustice, and crime against americans.
Sure, you might think it's unconstitutional. Sure President Obama might think it's unconstitutional. But there is a reason why we have a JUDICIAL SYSTEM - it's so that people like you or me or President Obama can't play judge and rule the world based on our own moral compass. And how effective would a Judicial System be if you don't allow your opposition to hire legal counsel? Why not respect their appropriate rights to hire a counsel and if DOMA is indeed unconstitutional in the eyes of the law, the courts will rule accordingly.
the courts have already pointed out its unconstitutionality. republicans havent said why they say it is constitutional. It may not have gotten to the supreme court yet for final ruling, but multiple courts have already pointed out that it is unconstitutional. republicans are fighting this on the matter that if they dont, they anger their voter base. they are trying to score points, but have not made a case at all why it should be defended, other than to claim that it is wrong for a president not to defend a law... which is ironic because both Bush Sr and Reagen refused to defend laws they deemed unconstitutional, and they didnt raise a peep against it then. This is about culture war, as DOMA was in the first place. They have never proven why their homophobia is good for america, and now they are wasting tax payer dollars to continue the denial of due process and equality under the law to LGBT americas because those people do not fit their narrow-minded, religious view of the america they demand is forced into unchallangable existance. they are angry about the budget, but they are more than happy to use tax payer money to further push discrimination and hatred.
what part of "I'm not defending this" in my original post did you not understand? I am simply pointing out that it is within their legal right to defend this action, and $500K is chickenfeed in terms of Federal spending. I'm defending Republicans just because they are republicans? Please, I have complained about republicans when I disagree with what they do, mainly in the realm of spending. Hell I've even defending Obama here before when I thought the opinions being voiced were incorrect about his role in policy. Nothing is unconstitutional until the Supreme Court says it is so...it doesn't matter if I, you, The President or Casper the Ghost think something is unconstitutional...it doesn't matter. They are the final word, period. Like it or not, that is how our system works.
Yes. Americans get taxed around 35 cents per dollar on average. There are socialist countries that tax their citizens just the same amount on average and they get so much more, like free health care. The U.S. needs to handle it's tax money so much better. No more vacations for the president (unless he pays for it with the $400,000 a year salary), no more using it for personal vendettas (like this), and those are just the small ones.
We call this THE RIGHT TO APPEAL! We call this DEMOCRACY! In fact the system wouldn't work if MPs do not act in the best interest of their voters. Like it or not, some people in America want to see marriage between only a man and a woman. Sure we disagree with them. But what does it say about us when we so much feel contempt when they fight for what they believe is right?! Sometimes, just sometimes, when wisdom so much eschews me, I fail to understand how a community who has suffered so much from being silenced can be so willing so silence other groups!
