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Caoimhe Fayre · 10th Jul 2012, 06:28 PM

Daily Dot | Death threats force sex-positive blogger underground

I'm reading comments and seeing this on a lot of youtube vids right now. gone to watch her channel. curious as to what other people think on this...

I hope they catch whoever sent the death threats to her, anyway. not sure what all of us posting #strong for Laci will do about it, though... :/

**Mogget** · 10th Jul 2012, 06:58 PM

Laci Green is awesome! I haven't watched her videos in quite a while, but I really enjoyed them when I did.

WeirdnessMagnet · 10th Jul 2012, 09:27 PM

OMG... Comments... With friends like these who needs enemies? Doesn't "more oppressed than thou" crowd see that they're undermining everyone by effectively agreeing with RL trolls?

And whoever did send those threats is really classy. Instead of attacking some real bad guys (or, well, someone really controversial like Dan Savage) they choose to bully one of the most mainstream sex bloggers ever with zero resources to defend herself... Very noble and brave of them.

Steve712 · 10th Jul 2012, 09:38 PM

I've been watching Laci's videos since about 2007, although it's been a few months since I've caught up. It's sad that she's facing this right now. As for the hash tag, there's nothing wrong with solidarity.

Revan · 11th Jul 2012, 02:16 PM

As long as she stays safe, that's what matters to me. It's good to have a sex-positive person on the net but not at the risk of her own life, we still have Dan Savage too, even though compared to Laci he's not as amazing. But I hope she'll make a return at some point in the future.

sguyc · 11th Jul 2012, 10:45 PM

They must have been serious death threats I guess right? I mean I am pretty sure most high profile bloggers get plenty of death threats. Lots of trolls out there.

WeirdnessMagnet · 11th Jul 2012, 11:03 PM

I doubt anyone knows except her, the sender(s) and the police. The one e-mail she posted might be just a troll (albeit one that went to trouble of looking up some personal info on her,) but as far as I understood, it wasn't the only one.

Allecto · 12th Jul 2012, 05:05 AM

I've been watching the whole thing unfold. It's a giant clusterfuck on both sides tbh. She's said some stupid shit, but the people sending her death threats and making misogynist comments towards her are being terrible as well.

Caoimhe Fayre · 12th Jul 2012, 08:39 AM

I think the seriousness of it is that the threats were accompanied by photos of her home. I think that would scare anyone.

And I've been watching a lot of the so called offensive videos, and I didn't think her comments about Mormonism or Islam were particularly offensive at all. She was just describing her own personal experience, not judging the religions as a whole. Plus, she should be allowed to say whatever she likes without getting death threats over it.

Steve712 · 12th Jul 2012, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allecto

I've been watching the whole thing unfold. It's a giant clusterfuck on both sides tbh. She's said some stupid shit, but the people sending her death threats and making misogynist comments towards her are being terrible as well.

What "stupid shit" has she said, really? She's a bit of a goof, but she's also extremely well considered and intelligent.

Kerze · 12th Jul 2012, 08:49 AM

I love Laci, I was so sad when I noticed this stuff happening in her comments and then found out about the death threats. She used the word once over 3 years ago and then in hindsight removed it and apologised when it was brought to her attention. To be honest, even her video about Islam was much more delicately handled than the majority of videos (seriously, search Islam and Evil on youtube, 21,900 hits).

I think it was John Green of the VlogBrothers who also mentioned on his tumblr that she's been receiving pictures of her apartment building with threats attached to them, and another youtube partner said she got letters at her apartment with no stamps, suggesting they were delivered in person. That kind of stuff is really messed up, it shouldn't be happening to anyone

Steve712 · 12th Jul 2012, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerze

I love Laci, I was so sad when I noticed this stuff happening in her comments and then found out about the death threats. She used the word once over 3 years ago and then in hindsight removed it and apologised when it was brought to her attention. To be honest, even her video about Islam was much more delicately handled than the majority of videos (seriously, search Islam and Evil on youtube, 21,900 hits).

I think it was John Green of the VlogBrothers who also mentioned on his tumblr that she's been receiving pictures of her apartment building with threats attached to them, and another youtube partner said she got letters at her apartment with no stamps, suggesting they were delivered in person. That kind of stuff is really messed up, it shouldn't be happening to anyone

Indeed, no matter what they said about any religion our cultural norm and how controversial it is. It is the fault of the threateners, not the threatened, if they feel they must respond to such things with intimidation and violence.

seeksanctuary · 18th Jul 2012, 01:25 AM

That poor woman.

I hope the authorities put an end to these threats.

Kanen · 19th Jul 2012, 01:47 PM

People don't seem to understand. She has every right to criticise religion. Her comments with the t-slur were uncalled for, and she apologized sincerely. But her talking about religion is her own opinion.

You don't choose your gender identity. You choose your religion. Therefore, religion is open to criticism.

People are being entirely too sensitive. There were others who were getting on to John Green for simply stating the word - in quotes, mind you - so that people knew what he was talking about. I mean, seriously?

WeirdnessMagnet · 26th Dec 2012, 10:35 AM

I've been checking her tumblr periodically, but somehow missed her return.

Yes, she's back. I won't link to her tumblr, but she had made several quite thoughtful posts on what happened to her and what she thinks of the whole situation.

Pret Allez · 26th Dec 2012, 10:39 AM

I deeply respect Laci Green, and she's been a strong advocate for queer people.

**Owen** · 26th Dec 2012, 11:19 AM

Laci has done a billion times more good than harm in her time online. This kind of "witch-hunt" behavior (to use her own words) her detractors have engaged in is shameful.

animequeen567 · 26th Dec 2012, 02:03 PM

I love Laci Green! I've seen all but her last 2 videos, but this is the first I heard about people giving her death threats. I generally never read the comments so I tend to miss things. I also missed that post on tumblr

This is awful to hear! I have been watching her videos for a long time. I hope the police catch the people that are sending her these death threats!

10th Jul 2012, 06:28 PM	#1
Caoimhe Fayre EC Addict Full Member Gender: Female Orientation: Lesbian Out Status: I guess you call me... OUT XD Location: Ontario Canada Age: 25 Posts: 324 Join Date: Mar 2012	#strong for laci - or not? what do you think? Daily Dot \| Death threats force sex-positive blogger underground I'm reading comments and seeing this on a lot of youtube vids right now. gone to watch her channel. curious as to what other people think on this... I hope they catch whoever sent the death threats to her, anyway. not sure what all of us posting #strong for Laci will do about it, though... :/ __________________ Sometimes true love is about letting go.

10th Jul 2012, 06:58 PM	#2
Mogget May all beings be happy EC Advisor Gender: Male Orientation: Mostly homosexual, panromantic Out Status: Out to eveyone as gay, a few as panromantic Location: Alaska Age: 23 Posts: 3,107 Join Date: Mar 2010	Re: #strong for laci - or not? what do you think? Laci Green is awesome! I haven't watched her videos in quite a while, but I really enjoyed them when I did. __________________ So with a boundless mind may I cherish all living things, Suffusing love over the entire world - Above, below, and all around, without limit; So may I cultivate an infinite good will toward the whole world. - Metta Sutta

10th Jul 2012, 09:27 PM	#3
WeirdnessMagnet A brave pony Regular Member Gender: Probably MtF... Possibly anything. Orientation: Bi/pansexual, either fits. Out Status: To some family&friends as bi. To no one as trans. Location:* Klein sexuality bottle Posts: 335 Join Date: Dec 2011	Re: #strong for laci - or not? what do you think? OMG... Comments... With friends like these who needs enemies? Doesn't "more oppressed than thou" crowd see that they're undermining everyone by effectively agreeing with RL trolls? And whoever did send those threats is really classy. Instead of attacking some real bad guys (or, well, someone really controversial like Dan Savage) they choose to bully one of the most mainstream sex bloggers ever with zero resources to defend herself... Very noble and brave of them. __________________ Someday every day would be a Pride day...

10th Jul 2012, 09:38 PM	#4
Steve712 EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Mostly out. Location: New Brunswick, Canada Age: 18 Posts: 1,510 Join Date: Feb 2010	Re: #strong for laci - or not? what do you think? I've been watching Laci's videos since about 2007, although it's been a few months since I've caught up. It's sad that she's facing this right now. As for the hash tag, there's nothing wrong with solidarity. __________________ "What is that thing called love, anyway? It dives into the alders and we sit, ignition off, attending to whatever else the fog might slip from those supposedly empty sleeves." - from Apparition by Don McKay

11th Jul 2012, 02:16 PM	#5
Revan EC Addict Full Member Gender: Dick Orientation: Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 25 Posts: 7,607 Join Date: Jun 2005	Re: #strong for laci - or not? what do you think? As long as she stays safe, that's what matters to me. It's good to have a sex-positive person on the net but not at the risk of her own life, we still have Dan Savage too, even though compared to Laci he's not as amazing. But I hope she'll make a return at some point in the future. __________________ "Is there some reason my coffee isn't here? Has she died or something?" - Miranda Priestly. Strength is not defined by physical capacity, but by indomitable will. ~ Mahatma Gandhi Procrastination is like masturbation, in the end you just wind up screwing yourself.

11th Jul 2012, 10:45 PM	#6
sguyc EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay- with quirks. Out Status: Everyone Location: Chicago Posts: 476 Join Date: Oct 2011	Re: #strong for laci - or not? what do you think? They must have been serious death threats I guess right? I mean I am pretty sure most high profile bloggers get plenty of death threats. Lots of trolls out there.

11th Jul 2012, 11:03 PM	#7
WeirdnessMagnet A brave pony Regular Member Gender: Probably MtF... Possibly anything. Orientation: Bi/pansexual, either fits. Out Status: To some family&friends as bi. To no one as trans. Location:* Klein sexuality bottle Posts: 335 Join Date: Dec 2011	Re: #strong for laci - or not? what do you think? I doubt anyone knows except her, the sender(s) and the police. The one e-mail she posted might be just a troll (albeit one that went to trouble of looking up some personal info on her,) but as far as I understood, it wasn't the only one. __________________ Someday every day would be a Pride day...

12th Jul 2012, 05:05 AM	#8
Allecto She's so from Montreal. Full Member Gender: I have no idea. Femme, I guess. Orientation: Queer as fuck. Out Status: So out of the closet that I was never really in. Location: The Berkshires Age: 23 Posts: 432 Join Date: Aug 2010	Re: #strong for laci - or not? what do you think? I've been watching the whole thing unfold. It's a giant clusterfuck on both sides tbh. She's said some stupid shit, but the people sending her death threats and making misogynist comments towards her are being terrible as well. __________________ And don't you know you're beautiful. ♥

12th Jul 2012, 08:39 AM	#9
Caoimhe Fayre EC Addict Full Member Gender: Female Orientation: Lesbian Out Status: I guess you call me... OUT XD Location: Ontario Canada Age: 25 Posts: 324 Join Date: Mar 2012	Re: #strong for laci - or not? what do you think? I think the seriousness of it is that the threats were accompanied by photos of her home. I think that would scare anyone. And I've been watching a lot of the so called offensive videos, and I didn't think her comments about Mormonism or Islam were particularly offensive at all. She was just describing her own personal experience, not judging the religions as a whole. Plus, she should be allowed to say whatever she likes without getting death threats over it. __________________ Sometimes true love is about letting go.

12th Jul 2012, 08:49 AM	#11
Kerze BEWARB! Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Friends, Sister Location: Surrey, England Age: 18 Posts: 1,888 Join Date: Aug 2010	Re: #strong for laci - or not? what do you think? I love Laci, I was so sad when I noticed this stuff happening in her comments and then found out about the death threats. She used the word once over 3 years ago and then in hindsight removed it and apologised when it was brought to her attention. To be honest, even her video about Islam was much more delicately handled than the majority of videos (seriously, search Islam and Evil on youtube, 21,900 hits). I think it was John Green of the VlogBrothers who also mentioned on his tumblr that she's been receiving pictures of her apartment building with threats attached to them, and another youtube partner said she got letters at her apartment with no stamps, suggesting they were delivered in person. That kind of stuff is really messed up, it shouldn't be happening to anyone __________________ Be kind to me, or treat me mean I'll make the most of it, I'm an Extraordinary Machine

18th Jul 2012, 01:25 AM	#13
seeksanctuary Weary Traveller Full Member Gender: Genderqueer Orientation: Pansexual Out Status: Pretty much everyone that matters. Location: USA Age: 25 Posts: 508 Join Date: Sep 2011	Re: #strong for laci - or not? what do you think? That poor woman. I hope the authorities put an end to these threats. __________________ but there's no sense crying over every mistake you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake...

19th Jul 2012, 01:47 PM	#14
Kanen Fkin' Perfect Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Texas Age: 17 Posts: 191 Join Date:** Mar 2011	Re: #strong for laci - or not? what do you think? People don't seem to understand. She has every right to criticise religion. Her comments with the t-slur were uncalled for, and she apologized sincerely. But her talking about religion is her own opinion. You don't choose your gender identity. You choose your religion. Therefore, religion is open to criticism. People are being entirely too sensitive. There were others who were getting on to John Green for simply stating the word - in quotes, mind you - so that people knew what he was talking about. I mean, seriously? __________________ "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves, that we are underlings." Julius Caesar -William Shakespeare

26th Dec 2012, 10:35 AM	#15
WeirdnessMagnet A brave pony Regular Member Gender: Probably MtF... Possibly anything. Orientation: Bi/pansexual, either fits. Out Status: To some family&friends as bi. To no one as trans. Location:* Klein sexuality bottle Posts: 335 Join Date: Dec 2011	Re: #strong for laci - or not? what do you think? I've been checking her tumblr periodically, but somehow missed her return. Yes, she's back. I won't link to her tumblr, but she had made several quite thoughtful posts on what happened to her and what she thinks of the whole situation. __________________ Someday every day would be a Pride day... Last edited by WeirdnessMagnet; 26th Dec 2012 at 10:39 AM..

26th Dec 2012, 10:39 AM	#16
Pret Allez Student of Chivalry Full Member Gender: Male (Feminine, Crossdressing) Orientation: Bisexual (Trans-Positive, Demisexual) Out Status:* Some people Location: Helena, MT Age: 24 Posts: 3,394 Join Date: Apr 2012	Re: #strong for laci - or not? what do you think? I deeply respect Laci Green, and she's been a strong advocate for queer people. __________________

26th Dec 2012, 11:19 AM	#17
Owen (ʘ‿ʘ)ノ✿ "Hold my flower" EC Admin Gender: Agender, male-assigned at birth Orientation: Panromantic (love all) androsexual (lust for men) Out Status: Sexuality: entirely out. Gender: Facebook friends. Location: Massachusetts, USA Age: 22 Posts: 4,621 Join Date: Jul 2007	Re: #strong for laci - or not? what do you think? Laci has done a billion times more good than harm in her time online. This kind of "witch-hunt" behavior (to use her own words) her detractors have engaged in is shameful. __________________ ♫ I’m not a self-help book; I’m just a fucked up kid. I had to take my own advice and I did. Now I’m waiting for it to sink in. Expect me standing tall, back against the wall, 'cause what I learned was: It’s not about forcing happiness; it’s about not letting the sadness win. ♫ -The Wonder Years, "Local Man Ruins Everything"

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26th Dec 2012, 02:03 PM	#18
animequeen567 I'm awesomely awesome :D Full Member Gender: Female Orientation: Pansexual Out Status: facebook official (family can't see it yet though) Location: Ohio Age: 20 Posts: 275 Join Date: Dec 2012	Re: #strong for laci - or not? what do you think? I love Laci Green! I've seen all but her last 2 videos, but this is the first I heard about people giving her death threats. I generally never read the comments so I tend to miss things. I also missed that post on tumblr This is awful to hear! I have been watching her videos for a long time. I hope the police catch the people that are sending her these death threats!