National marriage group gives $1.6 million to amendment fight

The bigger story in my opinion is how exceedingly terrible it is that a lot of states can just amend their constitutions (you know, their "supreme" laws) by a simple majority vote.

 

Oh dear, the conflict between my religion and sexual orientation is coming back again! :tears: :bang: *sigh*

 

I'm pretty confident that the Catholic church will come around. Unfortunately, it will be one of the last organizations to do so. That's kind of the problem with being committed to what you believe is the unchanging will of god.

My experience is that rank and file Catholics are more affirming than the leadership.

 

I don't think so. It doesn't matter what "rank and file" Catholics think; as conservative Catholics point out, the Church is not a democracy. The Catholic Church will always be ruled by a tiny elite clique of grey-haired old men led by the one oldest greyest man of them all. There's not a lot of opportunity for progress in that environment.

 

No, but nor is there in the Mormon church. I still think that there's some usefulness in making a distinction between Catholic worshippers and the leadership. I mean, some time ago, the Holy See censured American nuns for being "too feminist."

And as long as it's possible for everyday religious people who are straight and cisgender to be compassionate towards us, I don't want to give them short shrift.

And granted it will take them a long long time to come around, but I don't think their beliefs are as immutable as they claim. I have much more hope for Protestants and Mormons to come around.

 

Gay marriage is wrong, so says the single man wearing a cape and bedazzled hat.

 

Is it still a racist organisation or have they finally decided that god changed his mind about that?

 

I neither know nor care to know. Nothing constructive can possibly follow me trying to make a moral assessment of any major religion.

 

Wait, racist? :confused2: Fill me on this.

 

It was a long time ago - as far as I'm aware it is officially anti-racism now. It was merely an example to show that all Christian denominations are willing to steadfastly say they know exactly what their deity desires, even if it is the complete opposite to what it apparently wanted 100 years beforehand. Doesn't exactly make their arguments look legitimate.

 

Well the Mormon Church was blatantly racist as recently as 1978- well after the civil rights movement had made overt racism socially unacceptable in the U.S.

 

But they had a revelation, so it's 'kay.

 

Mormonism has no redeeming features, so it's boring to argue against it.

 

in the immortal words of Kathleen Madigan "last year, the catholic church apoligized to the russian orthodox church for horrors commited against them in the year 1213... that is the folder they are on; they haven't even gotten to gravity."

 

It just makes me sad seeing how much money both groups raised 15 million just think what good that money could have done for the school systems homeless shelters , soup kitchens the elderly , it just makes me sick to know insteading helping the poor and needing like the bible actually says to do they spend millions of dollars trying to oppress people who are not doing anything but loving each other and trying to live a happy life.

 

You're so right! Then add up how much money has been spent in all the other anti-equality campaigns and all the money spent on court cases. It's really disgusting we have to keep fighting these battles for our equality. :tantrum: