Gay Marriage & Abortion?

From what you've said, my thoughts are exactly the same as yours

 

Pro-choice and LGBT rights are seen as Left wing issues
same reason that there was animals rights activist and anti-circumcision activist at the last pride here in Indiana.

 

Maybe I'm more liberal than most, but I'm pro choice. Not necessarily pro abortion, as it is a "Plan Z" if all else fails. But we have enough unwanted children born every day, and a fetus is not a baby as far as I'm concerned; they do not get the rights of existing people.

But it should go without saying that everybody with a brain in their head should come around to supporting gay marriage.

 

I didn't elaborate so far because the topic was about the connection of the two issues rather than just abortion, but here goes:

I am still against late-term abortion, especially since it's already illegal. However, the fetus at earlier stages has more in common with tadpoles than with humans, and arguably less sentience. I look at it this way-- if somebody had killed me then, I'd not have the mental capacity to object. That cluster of neurons is smaller than a grain of rice.

Of course the line between "part of the mother with the potential to be a human" and "independent human" is incredibly fuzzy. But if we draw the line far enough back in the pregnancy while keeping the practice legal, I'm happy.

 

They are both negative things to a lot of people out there.
I do not think they should be next to each other because it makes the marriage equality seem like it goes hand in hand with abortion. And it shouldn't.

 

Hello fellow hoosier! lol and I agree it's because people often associate them because of political stance and most of the church's stance on the issues.

 

I have never seen the issues being lumped together.

 

Yes! This! My thoughts exactly.

 

From the way you worded your original post in sounded like you were talking about pro gay and pro choice people but I will rephrase what I said.

I have never seen a pro gay rights or pro choice group lump the two together and if they have they have the political sense of a gnat. I have seen those opposes to both gay rights and abortion lump them together but there is nothing our side can do about that apart from educate those who are stupid enough to believe the two are lumped together.

 

They're both issues that are opposed by the religious right.

 

Religion. They touch the sensitivities of the church crowd. Abortion is never mentioned in the bible. and LGBTQ issues are never once mentioned in the new testament. If it were such a big deal you would think Jesus would have commented. LOL They just have a problem because they don't like it and so blame god.

 

Abortion is far more important than gay marriage tbh. I'd definitely rather have legal, safe abortion & no gay marriage, than have gay marriage & have abortion be illegal.

 

^THIS!
Like, gay marriage is good and everything (I dislike marriage as an institution, but moving on...) but I don't like when people act like it's the end all of the gay rights movement :/ Or that it's the only right we don't have.

 

The reason for the link between opposition to abortion and opposition to marriage equality is that social authoritarians (SA) see liberalization in these areas as a way of making sexuality safer for people. SAs don't like sex, and they don't want other people enjoying it. Their strategy is to implement as many barriers as possible. In the case of marriage equality, it's simply that the hate the entire array of same-sex attraction (remember, SAs don't recognize trans* identities at all). In the case of abortion, it has nothing to do with protecting human life. It's about punishing women who want to have sex with unexpected pregnancy (for example, protection fails or medical contraceptive measures fail). In the case of unexpected pregnancy, it's about mandating slavery and torture of women, simply because SAs don't like people having sex.

Sex is not to be enjoyed. It's to be thought of as a necessary evil to have children.

 

in answer to OP's question

i think they just both happen to be politically divisive issues at the moment. Nothing more. They're not 'lumped together' as being similar issues, just 'lumped together' because they're both so relevant to current political debate.

 

Being sexist is already wanting to control women's bodies. Besides, I can say that because they that because they want to control our bodies too. Although unenforceable because of a state supreme court decision and a federal supreme court decision, the Republicans in my state still refuse to repeal the sodomy law. SAs hate sex, and they want to punish people for trying to enjoy it. End of story.

Sure, I suppose people maybe have sincere reasons for being against abortion, but in my opinion, those reasons are not very often on display. I still have sincere reasons for having extreme hatred of their position.