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Enaithor · 5th Nov 2011, 05:31 AM

Anyone speak any Elvish?
Tolkien ones that is, Darnassian and all that just have like 10 known words in :P
Fictitious languages yes (Y)

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**Gerry** · 5th Nov 2011, 12:21 PM

Nope, I don't speak Elvish nor have I ever studied it but I think it's great how Tolkien came up with these languages for his novels. It's always interested me.

Kerze · 5th Nov 2011, 12:24 PM

Not to be rude, but I've always wondered why people learn Elvish and Klingon and stuff. If you're gonna learn a language why not learn one you can use like French or something?

Enaithor · 5th Nov 2011, 03:47 PM

Well I'm not learning it properly, I've just read a few 'lessons' on it, and it's pretty interesting.
And I do speak a fair amount of German as well so it's not like the only proper language I speak is English :P

AngelicDemonic · 5th Nov 2011, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Concretehands

Not to be rude, but I've always wondered why people learn Elvish and Klingon and stuff.

Honstly, because it's fun.

Unfortunately no, I don't speak/understand a world. But now I have more language to learn v.v

SlickyPants · 5th Nov 2011, 09:29 PM

I find it a very interesting subject. I don't really believe anybody, not even Professor Tolkien, could "speak" it per se. There just isn't enought attested vocabularly to really carry on a conversation. Sure you could use synonyms and some creative compounds to avoid the inevitable lack of vocabulary. There is also the matter of the evolution of these languages over time. The Quenya that Tolkien was developing in the 1920s was quite a bit different than the Quenya used when the Lord of the Rings was published in 1954 and was further revised until his death. I just think there are far too many inconsistencies, a lot of guesswork and limited lexicon for his languages to be practicle as spoken language.

That being said, I do think it truly enhances the story and the underlying history of Middle Earth. Every character's name and every placename actually has real meaning and it adds a rich texture to an already detailed world.

5th Nov 2011, 05:31 AM	#1
Enaithor TheDude Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Bedfordshire, England Age: 18 Posts: 545 Join Date: Oct 2008	Lë ná vanya :') Anyone speak any Elvish? Tolkien ones that is, Darnassian and all that just have like 10 known words in :P Fictitious languages yes (Y) Spoiler Lë ná vanya = You are beautiful __________________ "I'm the bloody queen mate. Basically, I rule." - Liz X (...and the lesbians) "Biting's excellent: it's like kissing, only there's a winner!" - the TARDIS (...and more lesbians!) Demons run but count the cost, the battle's won but the child is lost...

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Gerry We're all a little mad! EC Moderator Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Some people Location: Las Vegas Age: 24 Posts: 5,551 Join Date: Jan 2008	Re: Lë ná vanya :') Nope, I don't speak Elvish nor have I ever studied it but I think it's great how Tolkien came up with these languages for his novels. It's always interested me. __________________ "Everybody's journey is individual. If you fall in love with a boy, you fall in love with a boy. The fact that many Americans consider it a disease says more about them than it does about homosexuality".-James Baldwin

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Kerze Formerly Concretehands Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: two Location: London Town Age: 17 Posts: 1,297 Join Date: Aug 2010	Re: Lë ná vanya :') Not to be rude, but I've always wondered why people learn Elvish and Klingon and stuff. If you're gonna learn a language why not learn one you can use like French or something? __________________ Please Understand. We don't want no trouble, we just want the right to be different. That's all. - Pulp/Different Class Last edited by Kerze; 5th Nov 2011 at 12:37 PM..

5th Nov 2011, 03:47 PM	#4
Enaithor TheDude Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Bedfordshire, England Age: 18 Posts: 545 Join Date: Oct 2008	Re: Lë ná vanya :') Well I'm not learning it properly, I've just read a few 'lessons' on it, and it's pretty interesting. And I do speak a fair amount of German as well so it's not like the only proper language I speak is English :P __________________ "I'm the bloody queen mate. Basically, I rule." - Liz X (...and the lesbians) "Biting's excellent: it's like kissing, only there's a winner!" - the TARDIS (...and more lesbians!) Demons run but count the cost, the battle's won but the child is lost...

5th Nov 2011, 09:29 PM	#6
SlickyPants EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada Age: 26 Posts: 542 Join Date: Oct 2007	Re: Lë ná vanya :') I find it a very interesting subject. I don't really believe anybody, not even Professor Tolkien, could "speak" it per se. There just isn't enought attested vocabularly to really carry on a conversation. Sure you could use synonyms and some creative compounds to avoid the inevitable lack of vocabulary. There is also the matter of the evolution of these languages over time. The Quenya that Tolkien was developing in the 1920s was quite a bit different than the Quenya used when the Lord of the Rings was published in 1954 and was further revised until his death. I just think there are far too many inconsistencies, a lot of guesswork and limited lexicon for his languages to be practicle as spoken language. That being said, I do think it truly enhances the story and the underlying history of Middle Earth. Every character's name and every placename actually has real meaning and it adds a rich texture to an already detailed world.