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Pornography and the male orgasm

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  1. ArcherySet

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    As I am new to this Forum, I do not know what the rules are in regard to sexually explicit content, so I'm going to make this post as 'safe' as I can.

    I remember as a kid, discovering porn for the first time, and being fascinated by men. I was inclined to notice men, before porn, however it was only after watching porn that I came to the realization that I had no interest in women.

    I've heard from women that the men in porn are props, only there to stimulate a woman for the visual experience that is her orgasm to entertain the male audience. However, I can't agree as the acts in straight porn seem to appeal to a male audience, and the focus is on the male orgasm. If anything, women are the props.

    As I recollect the first few moments of porn I experienced, I was completely captivated by the male actor. His real life moving, impressive physique was completely alien to what I had seen around me (outside of of underwear ads and fitness magazines) as all the boys my age were underdeveloped, and all the men who lived near me were frumpy, beer bellied straights that often reeked of cigarettes. I did not find them appealing. He was a tanned Adonis, with soft beauty that rivaled his female partner, and masculine strength that delighted me. Perfect skin, hair, body, the kind of beauty that one would find in Renaissance art.

    When it was time to climax, they stopped penetration, and went into the obligatory 'come shot', in which she was happy to receive what he had to offer, and I was dumbstruck by the effect that his orgasm had on his body. Muscles tightening, eyes forced shut, animal moans, and other more graphic details that you can easily image.

    Now as an adult, I realize that there is a huge focus on the male orgasm in porn, and while I'm sure 'straight' men insert themselves into the fantasy as the male penetrating the females to bring them to pleasure, they cannot deny that they are indeed watching in HD, a beautiful man experience an orgasm.

    So I don't really understand where the fear and loathing, and repulsion of male/male action comes from, as even in straight porn, males come into close proximity with one another, and watch one another climax within inches. If it was so repulsive, could a straight male commit to the act of participation in porn with another engorged penis right in front of you? Or does the desire to see a woman, override the visual of the man?

    I later discovered 'gay for pay' and 'straight male on gay' porn, and that threw me for a complete loop, as these men, appeared (forgetting stereotypical traits for a moment gestures, voice pitch) to be 100% straight in all their looks, mannerisms, inflection, everything, and yet, there they are having sex with men, and enjoying themselves. Do straight men that actually have sex gay men without any threat exist?

    I know as a gay male, I could easily commit to acting in a porno, even pornography with women, if it meant I was getting to experience the male the way that I want to. Does that make me bisexual? I'm certainly not repulsed by women (a fact that I sometimes have to remind my straight male friends of) , however if given the choice, I would choose a man 100% of the time.

    Just some random thoughts. I know porn is not reality, however it does offer a viewing window into a different, and very real world of sex, and sexuality.
     
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  2. Lewis

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    When I first started watching porn in my very early teens, I remember trying to force myself to look at the woman and enjoy it, but my eyes always strayed towards the man - which made me feel very guilty. Watching 'straight porn' gave me an excuse, knowing that a woman was still involved in the...process. But still to this day, even though I now accept that I'm gay, I still prefer heterosexual porn.

    I'm also not repulsed by the thought of having sex with a woman, but I know I could never be in a genuine relationship with a woman, therefore I do not see myself as bisexual. You have made some interesting points though.
     
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    I'm not so sure that porn specifically focuses on just the male. A lot of cinematic straight porn hardly shows the male naked at all, and focuses heavily on the boobs and vagina of the woman. But then again, I'm not an expert on straight porn so..

    I disagree with it showing a "very real world of sex". Literally it shows you what the director wants to see - and from a 3rd person perspective. Emotionally... well, I doubt there's much emotion that goes into the acting. It's all for money. It's not real sex or love making. I imagine porn acting would be more of a chore. Now amateur porn is a different story - but that's merely people filming themselves having sex.

    I do agree with your point about the gay for pay porn. I never got why they would need to actually PAY straight men presumably MORE money than gay men to act in gay porn. Something tells me that although they may not be gay, they probably definitely aren't straight, either.
     
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    I actually had an interesting discussion some time back with a group of producers at several large straight porn studios, on this issue. The question I asked was, if straight guys are so squeamish about penises and gay porn, why do they insist on seeing ejaculation in straight porn?

    And the answers were really interesting. In a nutshell, at least according to these guys, hetero porn is almost completely focused on issues of power and control. The man is seen as being dominant over the woman, and the ejaculation, often on the face, or body, of the woman, is seen as the ultimate expression of power and control over the woman; i.e., he is "marking" her.

    It is also very much the case in most straight porn that you don't see much of the guy other than his penis. Rarely do you see many images of his face, his expressions, or his pleasure; it's all about the woman's pleasure, and how the guy is giving her that pleasure. Again, the argument is that the guys watching the porn are imagining themselves taking the place of the guy, which is why you don't often see much of his face, and why so often male porn models in straight porn aren't the most attractive; this is so the "average" people watching will be able to relate better.

    Gay porn, on the other hand, tends to have a lot more balance to it; except in the plot-based "gay guy turns straight guy gay" types, much of the sex tends to be less dominating, or the dominance switches.

    Of course there are exceptions to both of these -- straight porn with a female dominatrix, gay porn with strong themes of domination. But those are apparently smaller segments of the marketplace.

    And then lesbian porn... is almost 100% produced for straight men. There is a very small amount of lesbian porn produced for lesbians, generally by very small studios that don't make much money, in part because, it's said, there's much less demand.

    As for straight men in gay porn... yes, many of them are genuinely, totally, absolutely straight. They're just very open and free about their sexuality, and being highly paid to do what they do on camera helps rationalize their decision in their minds. But many others are either gay playing straight, or gay/bi and in denial; quite a few men have used "gay for pay" porn as a "safe" means of exploring their sexuality and eventually come to the conclusion they are gay.
     
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    Ohh God, I'm just gonna go and puke my eyes out now, adios amigos!
     
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    :roflmao:
     
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    Wow now I feel weird. When I discovered porn a few years ago I never watched the heterosexual porn. Not because I am gay, but because I just find that I can't watch any porn with a girl in it. I hope that makes sense to you as it did to me in my head
     
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    That it does. Once the vagina comes into scene, the mood is quickly lost. That's why I can't actually enjoy straight porn. Sorry to the ladies, but the sounds the women make leave my skin crawling. It's much like sex scenes in movies or t.v. shows. It's very much centered on how the woman in reacting, her facial expressions, and the sounds she's making. I'm usually thinking in my mind, "Move woman. You're blocking the view."
     
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    I agree it just makes me feel sick when I think about a women in any way but as a friend
     
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    Let's not have this turn into a thread about how women are disgusting.
     
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    :lol:

    Ahem...girls have cooties...duh :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
     
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  12. ArcherySet

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    I'm actually a little surprised by the 'ooh gross' comments. I figured the attitudes would be a tad more moderate here. I try not to view any living being as gross, unless their personality makes me think otherwise.

    I understand that straight porn does have a dominant controlling aspect to it. I'm sure there are some guys that if they could, would completely remove penis footage from pornography. Meh, I'm enjoying it in the meantime.
     
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    I second that! :eusa_clap
     
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    exsept for the cant watch any porn with a girl in it, sortov the same, i try and forse myself to watch the girls and enjoy it, it doest work.
     
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    :roflmao::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    :lol: :la: that is all
     
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    This thread needs more 'men who like women' posters.

    From personal experience, when watching straight porn, I like to imagine myself as the guy screwing the girl, and like to focus on the girl as well. The 'cum shot' is a necessary 'full stop'. Because this isn't anonymous, I won't go into any further detail. But I can assure you, it's not because straight males like seeing other men jizzing.

    If there's one thing I don't like, its when women in porn moan to the point where it's obviously fake. >.<

    In gay porn, the cumshot also functions as the full stop, but because there are two men, there is no need to focus on any one person.
     
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    That would be lesbian porn, 95% of which is produced for heterosexual men. :slight_smile:
     
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    Best thread to read while trying to fall asleep :king:
     
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    I never thought that gay people were actually turned-off by women, because that's never been the case for me. I mean fair enough, it's not the woman that I'm interested in, but it doesn't repulse me at all - I actually prefer seeing sex between a man and a women, weirdly. I wouldn't engage in heterosexual sex obviously, but I don't like watching gay porn. I wonder what this means?!
     
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    There are plenty of people who don't like ANY porn, either because it feels fake, or it depersonalizes/dehumanizes, or a variety of other reasons. So I wouldn't consider it odd or anything if you don't enjoy it.

    I do, however, know gay guys who go EWWWWWWWWW at any mention of ladyparts, just as I know straight guys who go EWWWWWWWWWW at any mention of male-male sex. :slight_smile:
     
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