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Gay cliches that annoy you

Discussion in 'Entertainment and Technology' started by NothingOriginal, Nov 18, 2012.

  1. NothingOriginal

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    So what are several things that annoy you about the way gay/lesbian characters are written in most fiction? I'm thinking about writing a story with two lesbians as my main characters in the future and I want to avoid as many irritating clichés and stereotypes as possible.

    I'll list one of mine; I hate the tragic endings where a character doesn't get their beloved or worse.
     
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    Flamboyant, lisp, loose wrist. It wouldn't be a problem if the presentation wasn't ALWAYS that! To me lots of films geared towards lgbt avoid that overused trap.
     
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    Don't fall into the trap of making one butchy and one feminine, and don't overcompensate by making both hyper-butch or hyper-feminine. All of those are just lesbian stereotypes.

    Personally, I wish the word "fabulous" would die a painful death.
     
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    There are no cliches, NothingOriginal! All gay men are limp-wristed, effeminate, lispy boys and all lesbians are dykes-with-spikes and hate men. Duh! How could you not know this?

    HONESTLY though, I hate all the things I've listed. To say that all gay people, however many millions of them, are the same is simply ridiculous. This is one of the reasons I don't watch TV. For one, It's garbage. Secondly, only straight men play the gay characters caricatures, and they are always promiscuous, whiny, broken-wristed, effeminate, fashionistas. The same for women too, all manly and punk.

    I mean look at Ellen DeGeneres. She's a perfect role model, and have you seen all the actors and male models she strips down on her show? She came out in 1997-ish and she's the most normal person ever. Not pretending to be overly straight, and not pretending to be overly lesbian.

    Another thing that irks me is that LGBT people are always supporting stars/characters... Along with racial minorites and women. If you're not a white, straight, man, you're not going to be the center of attention.

    On a brighter note, the new Green Lantern is supposed to be gay. A superhero; buff, kind, and a hero.... and gay. WHAT? Shouldn't he be bending his wrist and working as a hairdresser???
     
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    I really feel sorry when the person tries to show femmine thats sad n i dont like it , i prefer someone femmine but who doesnt try to make it show bigger than it is!
     
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    All gay men are feminine with lisps and love to shop and care way too much about their appearance.

    I honestly think media should recognise the power and influence they have and address it. I'm not even lying, I have a really butch, mascluine friend right now who's come to me with questions about his sexuality, and he was on the verge of crying saying along the lines of he's okaying being gay, but scared that people will see him as overly feminine because of it, and I quote, 'I don't want to be Sean out of Corronation Street'.

    Kinda tragic, don't you think? :frowning2:

    Would be better if there was an even divide between mascluine gay men and feminine gay men in media. It seems completely skewed towards feminine gay men, which might send the wrong message to people and their sexuality. I mean, my friend was convinced that if he was gay/came out, people would radically change their views of him and see him as more feminine than he was comfortable with.
     
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    Promiscuity. It seems like the media portrays gay men as insatiable sex fiends.
     
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    A lot of Ryan Murphy TV shows are super reliant on stereotypes for humor (not just gay stereotypes but also racial)
     
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    YES. That and the whole lesbian butch/femme thing
     
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    Bury Your Gays

    Not going to TVtrope every posts so far..
     
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    oh i agree i think marceline and bubble gum are meant to be :tears:
    i hate how people think lesbians hate guys
     
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    There are several indie films centering gay men, and most of them are all about sex. Like gay porn pretending to be an artistic film. I think it would be great if in your fiction, gay sex would not be prioritized above character development and actual story. And no stereotypes.
     
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    Exactly!

    Also gay men can't be faithful, or in a serious monogamous relationship.

    All gays are flamboyant.
     
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    Well, not exactly a gay cliche, but the cliche that no bisexual (especially ones who happen to have male anatomy) can be faithful, or wants to do EVERYTHING that moves.
     
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    The fact that on tv every gay couple I've seen is composed of only two types of people: a stuck up, OCD worrywart and an overly giddy, flamboyant man. My case in point: Mitch and Cam of Modern Family :slight_smile:
     
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    I forgot that the one I mentioned is also a trope:

    All Gays are Promiscuous - Television Tropes & Idioms
     
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    It would be great to just portray them as normal-living, regular people. A great literary example is Poppy Z Brite's Liquor book. Granted, her gay guys are restaurant owners, which at first is a littlleee stereotypey. But they share a household.. eat, drink, hang out at home around the house.. don't have overly stereotypical physical appearances.. and she does not constantly throw in sex scenes. Any book that's loaded with sex scenes is boring to me personally; have one or two super-climactic scenes that get built up to, and that is good. :slight_smile:
     
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    Yeah don't make them promiscuous because I feel like gay characters are often written that way. Also show some middle ground between ultra feminine and super masculine people. I'd say make them as normal and boring as possible lol because I feel like many people don't grasp that being gay doesn't necessarily make a person's life fundamentally different from someone who is straight. The normal day to day stuff I think is really important like going to work, taking the bus, making dinner, going to the grocery store, stuff everyone does.
     
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    There are certain terms that irritate me.
    "Boy pussy", what is the deal here? we are men, men don't have pussies!
    I also dislike the typical femme attributes when the subject of gay people come up in conversation, the lisp, limp wrist, etc. Many of us act just like any other person.
     
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    All lesbians apparently hate men. They're either very feminine or extremely masculine. All femmes get hit on by straight guys. All butches get mistaken for guys. There's no such thing as chapstick, tinted chapstick, lip gloss, or anything other than the extreme stereotypes. Oh, and all lesbian relationships have clear tops and bottoms (givers and recievers) in the bedroom.:bang: