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Help! I'm just not a very good gay.

Discussion in 'Family, Friends, and Relationships' started by unknownuser1990, May 15, 2015.

  1. unknownuser1990

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    I'm not very good at this homosexuality thing. I don't mean the physical aspect, I'm pretty sure what goes where and how long it's supposed to stay there until things start going red. Like a lot of gay guys I spent quite a bit of time watching videos that show exactly how it's done, in graphic detail. I guess I'm also an ok boyfriend when I've had the chance (twice in 28 years - in case you asked), I'm caring, attentive, generally thoughtful and considerate when I'm with someone and, to be honest, I've been treated ok.

    It's the bit that comes before the boyfriend bit I have trouble with. I'm totally clueless when it comes to finding who's gay, deciding if I like them and then making a move.

    Generally speaking, unless they are the kind of gay guy who you can tell from the next planet over is gay I generally have difficulty in figuring it out. The real kicker is that by the time I do find out they've usually partnered up or friend-zoned me int romantic oblivion. If it were a sitcom, I always end up as the chubby sexless sidekick rather than the star. I've spent too much of my quickly running-out romantic and sexual prime lusting after straight boys, partnered boys and my friends only to be shot down either directly or by them finding someone. I'm sick and tired of it... a theme we'll return to in a sec.

    Then there's the figuring out if I like them. From the narrow pool of gay guys I've ever met and whose league I'm in, there are so many red-lines. I don't say this to brag about high standards or excuse pickiness, I'm pointing out that it's a problem. Recently, I've been thinking and all my red lines (being fat, being too nice etc) are all things I am. Essentially, I want someone who isn't me and when I meet someone who reminds me at all of myself, I run... and fast.

    So, with the pool narrowed to guys who don't remind me of my own physical appearance/personality (for what the latter matters) and who I know are gay there comes the worst bit. Actually plucking up the courage to go ahead and talk to them and making my intentions known. Fucking terrifying. Seriously, I don't know how to do it. Everyone around me makes it look so easy. All the guys in the bars, smiling at each other, kissing, going home for one unbelievable night of please. The chilled, slim, toned beautiful young men who walk into the bar and with one blink have all of us pathetic losers mesmerised, who will settle down but not quite yet...because they have that choice. I guess I am a little jealous of how easy everyone (my two married exes in particular) have had it. The've come out, they've fucked around, dated, fucked around some more, done the multiple partners and then swapped the love, rings and eternal bliss. I've had none of it...not because I'm not trying to, because I can't.

    I'm scared of two things. The first is what I'm missing out on by being such a social muppet. Even if (and it's a big if) I end up 1/10th as happy as everyone around me seems to be with their boyfriends and husbands then I'll still have missed out on my twenties - the best decade of my life, supposedly. When I look back I won't have those experience to look back on, to build on and become a better person with. I'll have missed out and there will be a new generation doing what I should have been doing. The promiscuity opportunity will have passed me by.

    The second is what happens down the line. I don't want to end up being that guy with the silver earring, ill-fitted t-shirt far too young for my advancing years and the bottle full of unused viagra sitting beside my bed which hasn't seen anyone else in it for years. I'm scared that I'm going to stay where I am, in this sexless, loveless, gay outcast, position until I don't see another morning. Fuck it's bleak.

    I thought that when I came out it would get better, I thought that when I fell in love for the first time it was sorted, on the rare occasions I do get laid (fucking rarely, if you'll pardon the pun) I think it's going to be fine. I've bene wrong every time and I guess I've just given up hope of being any good at this homosexuality thing. I keep thinking it'll get better but I'm done thinking that now. It's boring and I get hurt too much. I was crap at pretending to be straight and I'm utterly terrible at being gay.

    Not sure what I'm looking for here, maybe advice, maybe just a place to vent so I can get up tomorrow. Anyway, if you made it here, thanks for listening. Who knows, it might work out. I can but hope.
     
  2. CalgaryMac

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    Unfortunately, there is no manual on how to be a good gay guy. One of the problems for all of us is the absence of healthy role models who we can observe or talk to them about our questions and concerns.

    I am 63 now and when I was younger and coming out, I was athletic, looked good, and had no problems fitting in. As I have got older, my body has changed and of course I am older. Now it's not so easy for me to meet men because I am stocky, older, losing my hair, etc. However, I have found that while some men no longer find me appealing, others like the current me. The problem is connecting with those men.

    The online community allows more specialization and you can find areas that focus on a variety of men. You need to be careful about safety but I have found that the internet has allowed more opportunity to meet men who I feel fit the bill and avoid meeting men where there likely won'y be a mutual attraction. I met my partner that way on gaydar 12 years ago. There are many sites that are similar.

    There are also social groups that are geared towards particular interests (e.g. hiking, bowling, dining, etc.) where you can meet people with similar interests. I think that the important thing is to find men who have similar interests so you have something safe to focus on and get to know one another. Your true attractiveness will shine through when you are relaxed and enjoying what you are doing.

    I also feel it is better to take control over a conversation. I do that by finding interesting things about the person who I am chatting with and learn more about them. For instance if I know someone likes to travel, I ask them about their recent trips and then ask more questions. A conversation results that might lead to a connection or it gives you a chance to practice conversing with people who you don't know well.

    Anyway, I think that meeting people is stressful for most of us and we can't allow ourselves to get too intense about it. Be yourself and put yourself out there in situations that are more comfortable for you. Also, not everyone wants the muscle dude, people have all sorts of characteristics that they find attractive.
     
  3. AKTodd

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    While I can't really add anything to the excellent advice that CalgaryMac has provided, I will say something about your mention of your 20s being 'the best decade of your life'.

    That idea is actually total nonsense. Life is what you make it. So some people may find their 20s to be 'the best', others will find their 30s to be 'the best', etc. And some people make their life into something that it's a pretty good ride all the time without regard to what particular age they are. I tend to find this last approach to be the most fun.

    Beyond that, if you're 'running' from anyone who's like you (at least in your mind) that might be something to work on, perhaps with the help of a good therapist. Because what you describe would seem to imply that you don't like yourself (or aspects of yourself) a whole lot. And life might be a whole lot more fun if you did - not least because you might find that your circle of potential partners has increased and also because if you don't like yourself it may be coming across to people and putting at least some of them off.

    Hope this helps,

    Todd