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Three months til I get married to a girl...but I think I like men more

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  1. CameOutSwinging

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    Howdy! So I mentioned this in my introduction post, but this sub forum seems like a good place to bring up the discussion.

    So here it all is. Fair warning, I am verbose and it's a long story.

    I've always known I was attracted to guys, since I started watching porn at 11 and focused more on looking at the guys that girls. I didn't date anybody in high school. I had crushes on guys and liked one girl enough to consider asking her out (she had a boyfriend in college I didn't know about, so no dice). I had my first sexual experience at 19, with a guy. I continued to hook up with guys through college. Even dated a couple for short stints. Came out as bi for awhile to friends, then gay, and then ended up hooking up with a close female friend just to see how it was...and then we dated for 7 years. She knew my attraction to guys, so she allowed me to still mess around with them on the side. But eventually she ended it and my being bi turned out to be a big part of it.

    After she dumped me, all I wanted was another girlfriend. I hooked up with guys still, but dated girls. Before long I met my now fiancée. She found out I was bi by accident (the ex wrote a blog that was all over Facebook...) and we broke up a few times because of it. Finally I told her I thought I was past being bi, that I deserved a shot with her regardless of my past with men. She finally let it happen and we were so happy.

    I actually stopped having sex with men for a bit. I'm not proud that I've since hooked up with guys behind her back, but I have. Most recently, I met a guy who was supposed to just be a hookup but I fell for. Mind you, he and I wouldn't be together if I were single (he's much younger) but never the less, he's opened a curiosity in me. I've always been more hetero-romantic and yet here I am, falling for a guy. But I'm also three months away from getting married. I'm 32 in a few days. I love my fiancée and it sucks feeling right now like I may have to call the wedding off.

    I've told her I'm bi again, and that I always will be. She is not comfortable with it. Not just with me sleeping with other guys, but the whole thing. Me wanting to even be open about it. I hate this feeling right now. I'm at a crossroad and so afraid. What if I never meet a guy I connect with romantically again? I've literally met one in 32 years, and he's not going to be the one. What if I blow this with my fiancée and end up alone? I do know that if we call this off, I will try to exclusively date men. And I guess technically I've never done that before, not since I was 20 and had a quick summer romance.

    Any advice?

    I will say my fiancée and I are taking a two week "break" to figure some stuff out and not be around each other fighting all the time.
     
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    It sounds like you'll feel alone whether you stay with your fiance or not.

    Would you rather spend a year (if your lucky) in a disfunctional straight marriage or spend a year being single?
     
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    So first off, I feel for your situation. It's got to be incredibly confusing and distressing, with a lot of mixed feelings.

    First off, in my opinion, you absoultely have to call off the wedding. Too much is up in the air right now to complicate things even further with a marriage. There might be a part of you that thinks this will tidy things up and make them work, but if you search yourself, you know that's bullshit.

    And connected with that, you owe it to her to tell her exactly what's going on... that you are currently hooking up with guys, that you've got a guy that you have feelings for (but don't want to be in a relationship with), that you were actually in gay relationships and considered yourself gay. To do anything else is inauthentic. If you have difficulties with this idea, think about how you'd feel if the roles were reversed. Wouldn't you want to know that she's doing these things? Don't you think you'd deserve to know that the person you love fully and completely isn't being authentic, and isn't committed fully to you?

    I am not saying the above to be harsh, but to help you understand the impact your actions have on the relationship. For a relationship to have any real value, it needs to be 100% transparent and authentic, otherwise it's a house of cards built on sand.

    Now... you aren't solely at fault here. I suspect your girlfriend/fiance has some serious self-esteem issues. Putting aside people who are genuinely polyamorous (which I don't think she is, based on what you've said) nobody who has good self-esteem and self respect would stay with someone who has behaved as you have. This isn't to say you're a bad person; only that she deserves someone who can love her fully, and you deserve someone that meets your needs... which she is not.

    I doubt you're bisexual. It's possible, but from what you describe, it seems unlikely. I also suspect there are issues in your family of origin that make emotional intimacy difficult, and that is likely contributing to your confusion.

    If I were to make wild conjecture, I'd assume you are gay, and the difficulty with emotional intimacy is leading you toward relationships with women, because those relationships are safe; you don't have strong sexual connection, but it gives you some level of connection. And with men, you can have the sexual intimacy, but never have to worry about the emotional intimacy because you're in a committed relationship with a woman.

    If I were in your position, I would break off the wedding, and, honestly, let go of the relationship with your fiance. I'd commit myself to not dating or hooking up with anyone for 6 months or a year, and do some intense self-work (therapy, self-reflection). I suspect making the commitment to not date or hook up for 6 months would be challenging for you... and that's an indicator that it's something that would be really good, because it would force you to explore the feelings that underlie the sexual acting-out behaviors.

    This is a very solvable problem, and once you've done the self-work, I think you'll find yourself much more able to have a healthy and happy relationship. It may not be fun doing the self-work to get there... but I think you'll find the benefits to be enormous.

    Please keep in touch and keep us up on what's going on. Feel free to PM me if you want to talk in a less public setting.
     
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    Thank you for the thoughts/advice.

    It's not that I don't want to be in a relationship with the guy I've been seeing, it's that he's 18 (I'm 31) and beyond that, I messed things up a lot with him in the last month and he doesn't want to be in a relationship with me now. He still wants to be friends, which I'm not sure about yet. The sad thing is I do feel like I'm sad about us not having sex anymore more than anything else. Which I think says something about my relationship with men. And makes me think working things out with my fiancée might be the smart decision.
     
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    So even though you have strong feelings for guys, regularly hook up with guys, and don't have strong feelings for women, you are going to "work things out" with someone you aren't really in love with? Clearly you missed a large part of what I was saying.

    It's certainly your choice and your life, but unless you are 100% honest with her, there is no way you can authentically and ethically do that. To be honest, it would be really fucked up, and would be using her because you don't want to deal with your own shit. If you do disclose everything (and I mean everything) and she stays with you... Well, then that's her problem. But I guarantee it will come back to bite both of you. You won't be able to be faithful in the long run, because you have basically already proven that.

    Read the 'later in life' forums to see the heartbreak and horrible things that come of being too chickenshit to be honest with your fiancé before the wedding. You can deal with it now, or you can be selfish and put your needs in front of those of this woman that you supposedly care about. Sorry, but that's pretty much the options.
     
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    You are not obligated to get married, and definitely going into a marriage with a lie (that you've stopped seeing men) is going to set you up for more lies and mistrust, and your fiancée seems to have her own issues if she won't accept being bi.

    Really, I think you should ask yourself why you feel so scared of being alone. It seems that is the primary reason you want to get married, but an unhappy marriage can be worse than being single. You might even consider talking to a counselor about this (it would be nice if you and your fiancée could talk to a relationship counselor, too).
     
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    Damn, you're an asshole.
     
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    I agree with Chip that the wise decision here is to call off the wedding and tell your fiancée what's going on. You can not live a life of lies, being married to a woman and regularly hooking up with guys on the side, first because you will not be happy and probably neither will she and second, because it WILL end badly at some point.

    This is a difficult decision to make but you can't start a marriage when there are so many lies and unresolved questions. You need to sort yourself out before you think of committing to a long-term relationship, be it with a man or with a woman.
     
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    I would cancel the wedding and seek a therapist to help you with your feelings

    I have experience being married and then coming out gay. If you wait you risk becoming extremely unhappy and living a life that's not authentic. Go with your heart and be true
     
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    Wait. You are engaged. But you have sex with people other than your fiance? Why are you even getting married in the first place? If it's an arranged thing, and the fiance knows and agrees, that's one thing. If not, that's messed up. Seriously.
     
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    Would you mind if I asked what your experience was like?
     
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    I was just going through this thread, found it interesting; when I came across one of Chips replies where, being frustrated with this post, per the above quote replied how being "Chickenshit" has lead to a lot of heartbreak and horrible things.

    This hit me hard when I read it. I have taken the time to digest it, and in retrospect agree 100% with the comment given my own experience. Whatever the justification, reasoning or rationalizing, getting married prior to coming out is pure "Chickenshit" - plain and simple.

    I have said it previously, one of my life's regrets.
     
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    At this point, I feel like I have "come out" to my fiancee, since we now talk about how I am bisexual all of the time and I even tell her that I may be gay. The thing is, I'm just not sure if I am gay or not. I'm still trying to figure it out. I'm seeing a therapist now. I've also cut off any cheating that I was doing. I've made a promise to myself (and my best friend) that if I get to the point where I feel like I can't deny myself being with a man, sexually or otherwise, I will end things. But I'm not sure that I think that's enough of a reason to end things now. My fiancee and I are communicating much better now and talking openly about all of this.

    The hardest thing right now for me is I'm dealing with quite a bit of depression, and that's making it hard to be excited about anything. And ideally, she would like us to be excited about our wedding for obvious reasons. I've made it clear to her though, if she just doesn't feel like she can be by my side through my journey and my attempts to stand on my own two feet, I understand.
     
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    I understand a lot of preparation goes into a wedding, deposits are made, families are excited, invitations go out, but your racing against the clock. Push the clock back. You say she knows your contemplating. If she really loves you, she will give you the time to sort through this. If not, she takes on a massive amount responsibility to what happens next.

    This has to be one of the most horrible ways to have a foundation for a marriage.
     
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    I think if you even take remotely five seconds to re-read your post you'll realize yourself that your marriage is absolutely non-viable and for so many reasons that I am actually amazed you made it this far.


    - She literally dumped you MULTIPLES TIMES for being bisexual only taking you back when you pretended to be straight ! This alone would have been a massive red flag and would have had me running for the hills (I cannot stand homophobic/biphobic and narrow-minded people.)

    - She is NOT willing to let you express your feelings if she doesn't approve of them.
    not only is this extremely controlling it's also very worrying and would be another massive red flag

    - YOU cheated on her on multiples occasions while affirming here that you love her and using the poor excuse that you are bi.
    not only as a bi person does this pisses me off but how can someone promise fidelity to their future wife when they've been shagging around for months/ years. A relationship is supposed to be based on trust and I would have none for you and would be running for the hills if I were your future wife too.

    Overall you two seem pretty horrible. She seem completely narrow minded and controlling and you seem to have absolutely no morals and seem pretty entitled to me.
    What annoys me about your post and way of living in general is the prejudice you are causing to bi people by your poor behaviour.

    You seem to think of bisexuality as an entitlement of having the right to shag both genders while in a relationship. It's not. Being bisexual means that you are attracted to both, not that it grants you the right to shag other men while in a relationship with your girlfriend.
    For the sake of your future partner(s) and to avoid such a situation next time do not commit to a monogamous relationship if you know you'll be craving the other sex and will be cheating and don't marry a person you've been fine betraying for months on end with random guys for a bit of pleasure.
    (I think at 32 I do not need to remind you that by cheating you are directly putting at risk your fiancés health and how unreasonable that is...)

    I definitely hope that you've told her about all the cheating so she can get tested for STD's and HIV and get into that marriage fully knowing what and who she'll be dealing with for the rest of her life.

    Sorry if that's harsh but I can't stand people using their bisexuality as an excuse for cheating which then reinforce stupid stereotypes against bi people and increase bi-phobia.

    My overall advice is don't marry the girl but at the end of the day, your life, your mistake to make.
     
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    That's not very fair to to yourself but especially not to your fiancé, she thinks you are willing to work things out but you are more interested in a whole other gender. You better make up your mind quick and call it off early. Better now than later. :dry: So what you are doing is functioning as gay but keeping an image as straight since you are bi so you can have a girlfriend and appear like a typical straight couple. That's offensive to gay and bi people.

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    You can be biromantic. Anyone gay or striaght can sweet talk and flirt with either gender so I think that's what you are doing, you are just gay but capable and willing to get a girlfriend.
     
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    I'm sorry that so many of you take personal offense to my life choices. I'm trying to figure things out. I've never claimed to be perfect. And admitted fully that I've made some mistakes. I don't think I'm entitled to cheat on my fiancée, and my actions in the past are not something I'm proud of. If we stay together, I will not cheat on her further.

    I hope a of you have as easy a time with your own situations as you do with judging mine.
     
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    I don't think people are trying to take personal offense.

    But everyone sees what you apparently don't... which is unbelievably massive denial.

    Re-read your words much earlier in the thread. What you're essentially saying is that you've never, ever had strong feelings for women, and your arousal, connection, and desire is mostly or entirely toward men.

    If that isn't enough reason to call off a wedding, I don't know what is.

    Your fiancé is also in a place of massive denial. She's convinced herself that if she can just get you to tie the knot, that somehow everything will work out perfectly, that all of your feelings for guys will magically go away, and everyone will live happily ever after.

    As others have said, you've got a ticking time bomb here. At the very, very least, you both need and deserve to put off the wedding for at least a year. Then *both* of you need to go into intensive therapy, separately.

    You, to explore your sexual orientation and the intense denial you have toward the depth of attraction toward men.

    Her, to explore why she wants to stay with someone who has cheated on her repeatedly, has said he's bi and likely gay, and who, basically, has treated her like crap. (Her reasons are pretty obvious: my guess is her self-esteem is in the toilet and she feels that she doesn't deserve any better.)

    I really don't mean to be harsh here but you're looking at these things... seeing them... and then running right back into your denial. I can say with 99.99999% certainty that if you get married now, you will both be miserable in 5 years time (or substantially less.)

    If you wait a year, there's no harm done (except perhaps bruised egos and some lost deposits). If you each sort out everything, and are still in love, and you somehow magically change your decades-long attraction to men (which has pretty much never happened, according to the sound scientific literature on the topic), then getting married will make sense.

    What I hear you saying at the end of the day is, "I know I'm attractetd to guys, and not very much to girls, but I don't absolutely know that I'm attracted to guys."

    Look at your words, think about what they mean, boiled down to the essence.

    You are completely bullshitting yourself.

    You and your fiancé deserve better.
     
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    We are taking offense to your personal choices because they are selfish and hurting an innocent victim, your fiancé. If you think you're going to remain faithful to her, you're deluding yourself.
     
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    I get what your going through. I get it because I have been at the EXACT same place your at. I played both sides before getting married, I started dating my wife and she knew about my "experimentation" (I never cheated on her however as I was always loyal after we started dating and through our marriage).

    She had dreams of the perfect wedding, to the perfect guy, wanting the kids, the house with white picket fence, etc. This all distracted her from what she knew, I was not straight. But she wanted the marriage more.

    I had the perception of the success I was supposed to become because my parents drilled it into me, I got The offhanded remarks in school when everyone knew I messed around with guys, even when my parents knew, they were unsupportive of helping me find my tire sexual identity. I had pressures which said "Don't be Gay".

    I became someone I was not throughout my marriage. I suppressed not only my sexual identity, but my entire identity. I became the person I was told I was supposed to become instead of the person I should have become. It was life built on a foundation of glass, and at some point, the glass cracked and everything came crashing down.

    Today, times have evolved massively. Acceptance grows by leaps and bounds. You have every reasonable ability to be the person you should be rather the person everyone else wants you to be.

    Maybe you grew up in a financially conservative household, maybe you have a religious upbringing, maybe your fiancée sees you as the golden catch that will build wealth and support her white picket fence dreams. But whatever it is, you can still determine the outcome. You can make a choice now that will determine the type of person you will be for the rest of your life.

    Going back to an initial word - are you too chickenshit to do so? I was too chickenshit at the time I got married. When I had to drink a bunch of vodka before going down the wedding isle to numb myself. And people's lives are hurt because of it. And nothing I do will ever repair that damage. Don't make the same mistake.

    Finally, you remind me of a guy I had dinner with a little while back on a trip to San Francisco I took. We had an open discussion about how he was attracted to guys, wanted to know how I was able to live the way I did for 19 years; and he wanted tips to do the same. The pressures he felt were causing him to make similar decisions. I was dumbfounded that in today's society someone would see a need to live inauthentically. Instead of giving him tips, I told him all the reasons why it will not work. He remained determined. You sound very much like that guy. Don't be that guy.