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On hipsters who identify as queer when they're not

Discussion in 'Gender Identity and Expression' started by wanderinggirl, Nov 20, 2013.

  1. wanderinggirl

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    I was recently talking to a friend of a friend who is involved in the queer community and who identifies as queer even though he is cis-gendered and only dates women. I'm trying to figure out why this bothers me. There's a label he could choose: "ally". But he seems to be employing the label because it's a progressive hipster thing to do. Or am I being judgemental? Maybe he has attractions to other men. But I can't help feeling that labels matter, and that even though"queer" is a catchall term, it is not THAT catchall. It still means something.

    Is this a thing? Straight cis-gendered individuals identifying as queer for the sake of being part of a hip community? It bothers me because my sexuality is not hip, it's my life.
     
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    I definitely think that being queer or trans* has become "cool" in some (generally liberal) circles. I definitely think that some people pick a queer label for themselves despite not being gay or trans* to any degree, just so that they be "hip" and it is annoying. They want the positive social aspects of being queer in a liberal circle, without actually experiencing any oppression. They don't have to risk losing friends and family, they don't have to come to terms with their sexuality or gender identity, they risk nothing because they ARE straight and cisgender and benefit from all of those privileges.

    While I don't think much real harm is done from them identifying as such, it IS PROFOUNDLY annoying.
     
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    I would like to agree with you but I don't think anyone would say they're gay if they weren't, unless of course they live in Greenwich Village and want to fit in...
    But generally it's still got a stigma and I don't think people would say it so lightly...

    Maybe you're dealing with a gay hipster...the worst kind of hipster...:stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
     
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    A place where being trans* is cool? Take me there now!
     
  5. its called tumblr :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

    there is definitely a certain group.
     
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    Ah I found a couple, the first one was nice but the second one was just a porno :l
     
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    No, you're not being judgmental. I'd be throroughly annoyed as well. People are inventing more and more labels so they can classify themselves as queer, which seems to be the latest accessory piece in hipster fashion. But hey, who am I to talk, maybe we'll all be doing the same when it's going to be cool... *eyeroll*
     
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    "identifies as queer even though he is cis-gendered and only dates women"

    Did he say this? Or is this something you are inferring from certain things he is saying?
    I'm not sure what to think of straight cis folk who identify as queer to be honest. :/
    I don't think you are being judgemental though.
     
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    His friend said it. He's from Brooklyn. I think its great that it's cool to identify with queer people but it's not cool to coopt the label. "A place where it's cool to be trans*"... That would be Brooklyn. Not that they don't face oppression there, but in hip circles knowing queer people gives them more street cred or something. Which makes me feel less inclined to want to be out.

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    Tayb, you hit the nail on the head that they enjoy feeling deviant by using the label but don't face actual oppression. Although I hate that this implies that oppression is what makes you a "real queer". We are so much more than our oppression, yet that seems to be a theme.
     
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    Maybe "queer" is like the new "ironic" - people keep using it without knowing what it means.
     
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    It might be that he isn't queer.
    It is annoying and dishonest of people to identify as such when they are not.

    On the other hand, just because a person is cisgendered and (so far) has only dated one gender doesn't mean they can't be bisexual for example. If I were you I wouldn't be to fast to classify other people's sexuality for them, especially unasked.

    I know several people who have only dated one gender, but still identify as queer/non-straight because they do feel they could fall for someone of the the same gender.
     
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    I agree with Linthras. If someone says they are queer, they are most likely queer. And I don't think it's your place to be saying he is not queer enough. Maybe he's bi or pan or multi or some other label, if he identifies with any.
     
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    :shrug: Eh, I don't see the big deal even if he's straight.

    "my sexuality isn't hip, it's my life."

    And your sexuality is not his life, so what does him calling himself queer despite not being any kind of gay truly have to do with you being gay? It's not like he represents anyone, but himself. In general people doing stuff to purposely be a certain kind of "cool" and in doing that misrepresenting themselves can be a bit eye roll worthy, but there's nothing profoundly or in and of itself wrong with that. It's his life, his image, let him be an eye-roll worthy kind of hipster if that's what he's into. :lol: So the guy's possibly kind of a tool, but eh who gives a fuck, he's not hurting anyone and he actually sounds amusing. Also, there shouldn't be an unspoken rule of like "you're only allowed to call yourself an ally or whatever we, the royal gay we, determine is appropriate." That feels a bit cunty to me. I'm not saying you guys are being cunts, so please don't get up in arms at me, it's just this discussion made me think of other times where the community gets all "royal we" about things and I don't know, I just don't think that's cool in any form.
     
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    Oh man, Tumblr is so far left that it fell off the edge of the scale and is currently floating around in la-la land. (I could compare it to, say, Focus On The Family, but for liberals.)
    Back on topic!
    Hipsters are tools who are just trying to be special snowflakes. D'aww. How stupid. Nobody gives a shit about hipsters but hipsters. If they really are gay, then that's okay. If they're actually straight, no need to hate. If they're bi, don't question why... since hipsters are retarded morons, and generally, people do not listen to morons unless they are morons themselves.
    Besides, it's kind of funny watching them trying to "be queer", since they all epically fail at it.
     
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    LOL at everything you just wrote. :grin:
     
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    So, all right... I only formally dated cisfemales so far, and I never tried to present female in public (internet photos and some sexting don't count) and I really like to hang out in queer-friendly places.

    Where can I trade in my queer ID card for a proper hipster licence?

    Your acquaintance might be annoying, but honestly, I don't think that's because he calls himself "queer."
     
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    Is it possible that inside his own head he is some manner of queer? Like he just hasn't outwardly expressed it, but maybe mentally he doesn't identify as cis-male, likes women? I don't know. It seems like maybe a conversation you could have if you know him well enough. I'm a little out of touch so I don't know if this is a thing hipsters do. Does anyone know when they'll go away? It's been a while now and they are still around.

    If he is doing what you suspect, that's pretty dumb. Like when people say they are vegetarian and order chicken wings. That makes me annoyed, even though it doesn't affect me being a vegetarian directly.
     
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    And just like a lot of the internet even lol. Idgi