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I need help with my gender Identity.

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  1. ResidentTheatreKid

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    Ok, so as you may be able to see from my profile, I am actually toying with the idea of being a demigirl.

    Basically, from what I understand, being demigender is about identifying partly as one gender, sometimes mostly, but not completely.

    I go through periods of times where I feel like the girl in the mirror just isn't me, and I feel totally separate from who I see. I'm not dysphoric, I don't want to be a boy. But sometimes I want to be a bit less than a girl, or genderless. And then the next day I'm totally fine with being a girl and I could go out in a dress and flower crown.

    I feel like it today, and I feel like I don't even want to see myself in the mirror because it isn't me. It's not even my body that's the problem, it's my face and my hair. I look so feminine and it's annoying. I would love to at least look like someone whose gender you can't identify straight away. The sort of person you'd have to ask about their gender and pronouns. And quite honestly I'd prefer them/they pronouns today if I was asked about it.

    And who knows, tomorrow I might wake up and be happy with being a girl again. Maybe I'll be the same as today. I don't know.

    Am I just being weird? Do most people go through phases like this, am I just going through a phase? This has been on my mind for a while and I've just let it eat away at me, I should know better because as soon as I came here about my sexuality I managed to find out that I was a lesbian and knowing who I was made me feel a lot better. But hey, does anyone have any idea whether I could be demigender or whether this is normal? (There's not a whole load of resources on the internet for this, so I've had to come straight (well.. A bit less than) here.)

    Thanks!
     
  2. lymanclark

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    Well, keep in mind that being a girl doesn't necessarily mean that you absolutely HAVE to prance around in flouncy hoop skirts and pink tiaras. Do you feel social or bodily dysphoria - do you hate being referred to by female pronouns, do you hate your chest… stuff like that?

    You did mention that you prefer "they" pronouns - maybe you're genderqueer or agender or something like that. Maybe you're even FTM, and just starting to realize it. Or maybe you're a tomboyish girl who just doesn't buy into the whole princess ideal?

    Figuring out your gender is a long and difficult journey; I wish you luck!
     
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    The fact that you feel ultra-feminine one day and borderline dysphoric the next day. Could mean youre gender fluid. If youd like I could rummage around and get some links for you :slight_smile:
     
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    The only thing I'm sure about is that I am not a boy. I wouldn't identify as male, and I don't want to be called by male pronouns.

    I know I don't have to be all dresses and tiaras, but sometimes I am. There are some days where I would be happy in a full ball gown with long hair and a flower crown, and these are the days where I'm mostly happy with the girl in the mirror. There are some days I am still a girl, but I am a bit more tomboyish and the person in the mirror is a bit more girly than I'd like but I'm still fine. There are some days where I am quite simply not a girl, and I walk past a mirror and avoid looking at it because that isn't me. My hair is too long, my face is just too feminine. I'm never uncomfortable about my body parts though, I would like to bind my breasts when I'm like this but I wouldn't get rid of them because I'm happy with them when I'm girly. But I'm not a boy, I'm just nothing. I am just a person. I've tried for a while to convince myself that when I'm like this, I'm just feeling unconfident with my body, and I'm just being dramatic. But I'm not. I've realised that I'm not being silly and I want to be referred to as them or they. Not her or she. And these three main stages occur randomly.

    Thank you for your help so far ^^ and that would be great, Seige! Thank you <3
     
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    That sounds pretty genderfluid to me... To be genderfluid basically means (correct me if I'm wrong, anyone?) that the gender you identify with can fluctuate over time. You don't necessarily have to switch between male and female. In fact, as far as I understand, you could even, for example, shift between feeling agender and pangender?

    So yea to sum that up, if you feel like you fluctuate between any two or more genders, you'd be genderfluid.
     
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    Well you sound quite a bit like me and I identify as a demigirl. Minus the part about wanting to be referred to with gender-neutral pronouns, because I don't particularly care what pronouns are used for me.
     
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    I might just spend a while looking at different gender identities. For now I may as well identify as somewhat genderqueer. I never thought that I could be genderqueer because I thought that it was simply just boy and girl, and I never feel like a boy. I will probably have to put up with female pronouns for a while longer, people at school took long enough to get their heads around the term 'lesbian' let alone poking 'genderqueer' and 'demigirl' at them. Oh how I wish we actually learned about this stuff.

    I wish I could cut my hair short too. My mum reacted badly when i asked a few weeks back. And she reacted badly when I tried to come out as lesbian. The first thing I'm going to do once I'm independent of her is have my hair cut.
     
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    One thing I'm struggling with when looking at these is how 'male' and how 'female' I am, because it changes. And I'm never male, I'm just not female, if that makes sense? Or at least I don't want to look so female. And I think I'll always identify as lesbian because for the most part I'm a girl and I really don't want to make this even more complicated than it already is.

    And I think now that I've started looking at this I'm going trough a denial phase because I just keep telling myself that I'm cis and I'm just being stupid, and practically having arguments with myself. Is this normal?! I also keep panicking that people will think I am doing this for attention. And then I wonder if I am actually doing this for attention and whether I have convinced myself I am like this wrongly and then I start really panicking about everything and having inner wars because I know that part of me isn't comfortable sometimes, but am I just being stupid because I don't like the way I look?

    And then a moment later I calm down and realise that I'm not being stupid then that silly niggling doubt comes back and I want to lay on the floor and block it all out of my head.
     
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    Sounds like you're going through the stages of loss. Perfectly normal, I'd say.
     
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    Just take your time... talk with others here on EC...
    others have similar experiences...

    and I'd say don't doubt so much.. just enjoy...


    (*hug*)
     
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    Thanks guys. I really appreciate the help.

    The main problem is I know I have three main stages of my gender, and they are pretty much Female, Tomboy, Neutral. But I can't find a term that explains the fluidness between the three. There's Demigender, which is looking the clearest to me so far, as seen as I mostly identify as female, then there's that androgynous part. But I'm confused because there's also Demifluid and Demiflux which explains the fluidness between them but I don't really understand what it means for some reason. And resources for these are really difficult to find because it's non-binary and there is not an awful lot of material out there on it :/

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    I mean, here is some of the only things I can find about them on the whole of the internet.
    nonbinary resource
     
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    Demifluid- partly a gender that does not change, partly genders that do change
    Demiflux- same thing as demifluid except it indicates that one of the genders is neutral

    I find it rather confusing myself. :confused:
     
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    That makes sense, thank you :slight_smile:

    Well, it's like 12:23am now but about 40 minutes ago I decided to try and see how masculine I could get, so I put my hair up in a bun at the base of my head and left my (too long) fringe out, and used that to make my face look a little less round and this is what I ended up looking like:

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    I know I don't look great and I don't have a beanie or anything, plus my fringe is really long I mean this is me before

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    (The lighting is rubbish it's from a lamp because it's 11:50 at night when I took these)

    But I'm just happy because I'm not as hopelessly feminine as I thought I was. Now I just need to get my hair cut and get a load of beanies XD because looking like this all day would make me happy on days like today :slight_smile:
     
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    I'm on another one of my 'not girl' days today and I want to get rid of all the mirrors so I can't see my stupid hair and girly clothes :frowning2:
     
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    I'd try to look more androgynous, and wear only unisex clothes for a while - 2 weeks or so, as an experiment. It seems to me a bit of exploring and experimenting would do you a lot of good. To me it felt weird the first time I tried boy clothes, 'cause for "them" it's "wrong" and all that -when I was your age. If there is nothing wrong with being lesbian or gay, how could be just wearing different clothes wrong? There is no rules on how to be or what to wear. Just go ahead and cut your hair, it belongs to you anyways. I shaved my head when I was about your age, and got a lot of troubles at home just for such a silly thing... But It felt good, very good. You don't need to shave it all off, there is a gazillion cuts that will allow you to change your look depending on your mood - more tomboyish or less...
    Feel free to experiment, do whatever makes you happy. Hair grows back anyways!
     
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    I'd love to, but I don't have a whole lot of neutral clothes. It's part of the reason I was upset yesterday, because we went out to lunch so I was dressed in a tight top and leggings, and looked really girly. But when I can, I wear loose hoodies and baggy jeans.

    I don't have a lot of freedom, I don't leave my home a lot. Otherwise I would just go out and get a pixie cut. I'm going to as soon a I get the oppertunity.

    Also, school starts again tomorrow. If I feel less than girly, I can put my hair in a bun at the base of my head but there's nothing I can go to look more androgynous. Our uniform is gendered too so I have the girls blazer and trousers and it shows. I hope I feel girly tomorrow :/
     
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    Hi RainbowLioness, I bet uniforms suck. I was lucky because never had to wear one. About the haircut, just be careful not to get it cut too short because then you'd actually might have a problem to express the feminine side when you feel more girly, especially if you're not wearing make up. As Vodkabaret said it's gonna take lots of experimenting. :thumbsup:
     
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    Yeah, they're rubbish. At least if we didn't have them, I could wear a hoodie and baggy jeans.

    I don't want my hair super short, but it's easier to look feminine with short hair than it is to look androgynous with long hair. And right now my hair is down to my chest. Even my fringe is too long. I wear makeup when I feel girly, but when I don't feel girly what's the point of trying to make myself look better if I don't like my appearance anyway? I don't use makeup for anyone but myself so what's the point? I may as well go out looking as awful as I feel.
     
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    I'm thinking: the side-swept fringe cut to about eye level, and then get them to do their professional awesomeness round the back and sides. Maybe don't quite do semi-punkish "shaved sides with overhang" just yet, I guess your mum would freak, and you might not like it, but you could do a tapered scissor cut.

    And definitely keep at least a cow-lick as back-up.

    Damn.
    Could you negotiate?

    U- "Mum, can you give me $20 for a hair cut?"
    M- "As if!"
    U- "Well, I could just ask a friend, but she might stuff up the shaved parts... Oops, did I say shaved?"
    M- "No! You can not get your hair cut!"
    U- "Oh come on?! I promise not to make it too short. Please.. You want me to prostitute myself? What kind of mother are you?! I hate you!"

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    I don't quite get them all either. I've kind of given up trying to find an exact label for myself just now, but it's mostly closeted androgynous or feminine identity, with a dorky masculine appearance and couple of macho touches to reinforce that exterior shell. And I also have 'busy' days where I tend to cut fingers while using garage tools and shrug it off because I'm 'tough', and slow days when I just want to empathise. I think a label serves a purpose if you want to communicate how you feel to someone else, but you could also just tell them that it's not 100% accurate.

    Incidentally, I find that substances like coffee change my mood a lot. Coffee dulls my inner empathic side.