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Fluctuations in dysphoria? Losing perception...

Discussion in 'Gender Identity and Expression' started by noname8387, Oct 29, 2015.

  1. noname8387

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    A lot of people say they feel dysphoria comes and goes.

    When the dysphoria goes, do they feel 'neutral' about their gender or do they identify and feel like the gender they are in?

    In my case, I am a cis male and I've been questioning my gender. When I see really beautiful women (I´m gay) I start to get anxiety thinking I might want to look like them, but then when I see a guy I want to feel manly and strong and like how I look. I have no genitalia dysphoria but I see the shape of women and think they are nice. And I see a guy's shape and like it too but I am even questioning if I want it for myself or just feel attracted to it.

    I honestly like envisioning myself, feeling, be treated, and being seen like a respectable guy. But what does that even mean? Mostly I find that women are objectified, not taken seriously enough, and treated like the weak gender. But I like the glamour of women and that they can show emotion. And women are just prettier than man.

    I was making a list about what I envy about each gender it's looking the same for both.

    All of the male 'traits' I like to have, women can have them too, such as being the working parent, feeling strong, independent, elegant and smart. And they even look prettier and more fashionable doing all those things (most men don't give a fuck about how their clothes and their bodies).

    Though I'd rather do all those things seen as a guy, I do them a lot in a feminine manner: paying a lot of attention to my clothes, thinking I look 'fierce' instead of 'cool, dude', etc.

    I have basically no gay friends and I am noticing that I am very different to my straight friends. Reading a few yahoo answers most gay guys don't feel this much envy towards women, but some are feminine and DO admire all these things about women like in Lady Gaga and Beyoncé but I don't know to what extent, so I don't know if it's normal.

    I have always been an over analyser. feel like I am a very dramatic person and am really feminine so that's also why I'm questioning; and it is another reason why I relate more to women. "Being trans is feeling like you are the other gender" and I identify a lot with the other gender.

    I don't like androgynous looks, I like a lot more when people look really good as a man or as a woman. Thinking about this 'mix and match' I'm starting to think I might be bigender, which can be the reason I feel so thorn between the two, but I don't like that label because in a lot of cases it is just a stepping stone to transgender and that thought really makes me have anxiety.

    I also tend to think "it's greener on the other side" so I don't even know anything anymore. I'm a mess and I am tired of questioning the only thing I was sure of in my life.

    I was going to say that I remember when I was in puberty I was really excited about all the male changes to my body like the body hair but and shaving but women have body hair and shave too.

    Ps. I am in fact looking for a therapist specialised in gender but I haven't found one yet, so all of your opinions would really help me, thanks a lot!

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    What I think is giving me the most anxiety is that there are gay guys more feminine than me but at the same time I feel more womanish than them, even if I am more masculine. They say you don't have to be too effeminate to be trans so that's another questioning reason. I'm not trying to sound cocky, really, but an explanation I think would be because of the elegance and poise I feel inside that I think women have and a lot of these flamboyant gay guys don't.

    With gays I tend to find them too masculine or too feminine. If really feminine gay guys showed more class and at the same time proof of their manliness I think I could relate more. I think I'm just being ridiculous at this point. But it's true? #confused

    And also what gave me 'cis dysphoria' is that I read that if you can double cross your legs, your arms point outwards and your index finger is longer than your ring finger it means you are transgender. I have all those 3 and I felt alienated and really depressed.
     
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    Hi, OP. I agree with you that you might be overthinking. As with this^. I don't even know what that means, it sounds very ridiculous.

    A tip to you might be to just try to do the feminine things you want to and see if you like it. And no matter what you like doing, you don't have to change your gender identity because of it.

    Hope that helps
     
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    I read that article too they ment that its a good pointer and it dosent mean you are trans
     
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    I actually read that article and don't really agree with it. The person was pretty much saying that if you're trans then you should have some physical characters of it already.
    All those things listens above, I have those and I am a non-binary trans male.
    There are people out there who were once the most masculine appearing males who were actually women (trans) all along.. Just there are the more feminine appearing females who were male(trans) all along. Physical traits are sort of genetic and sometimes out of our control.
     
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    Hmm... first of all from everything I read by you, I would say that you are clearly not a trans woman. I don't take such a statement lightly but in your case it is fairly obvious. You identify very strongly with being male and trans women simply can't do so because of gender dysphoria and because they aren't male. You might be non binary but with all honesty you simply sound like a feminine gay cis man. Nothing you said indicates otherwise and you seem to be in distress at the thought that you might not be cis male to such a level that you are feeling gender dysphoria.

    Btw, trans women have similar digit ratios as cis females, with their index finger and ring finger typically being of equal size... on the other hand, gay men, which is what you identify as, commonly have longer index fingers than ring fingers as you have... the other two tests that you mentioned are as far as I know not scientifically valid and mostly depend on the width of a person's hip which is definitely not a sign that you are trans...
     
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    Darnit, Yaeli. You had me researching that all night!

    My right hand 2D 4D is equal. The left doesn't seem to matter for some reason so I never measured.

    However. I want to point out. Finger ratio is only one indicator of many. It's scientifically valid only to determine that... you have a higher chance of being transgender. In other words, it decides nothing.

    You decide it. The same brain chemistry that is making you question was partially determined by what happened in the womb anyway. Whatever exactly that was: we'll never know, and it isn't terribly important, because here you are... as you are.

    You sound to me like potentially bigender or demigirl. Don't let anyone ever imply to you that you can't be a woman when you feel like it.
     
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