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Transguy rant: too dysphoric to masturbate, dealing with frustration

Discussion in 'Gender Identity and Expression' started by elsandinista, Dec 22, 2015.

  1. elsandinista

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    This ended up being longer than I expected. I'm not sure if I'm really looking for help or suggestions, but moreso thoughts about what I express here, and hopefully somebody out there who gets what I'm talking about....?

    I am a very masculine transguy who has been on T for about 6 months now, I am completely socially transitioned and I am incredibly stealth. I know there are many trans people who are "out and proud" about their status as transsexual, but that will never be me. Transsexuality is the bane of my existence. In fact, if I was at all concerned with my own happiness or well-being, I would have killed myself a long time ago. At this point I am only living for a cause that I believe in, one I am hoping to give my life for (perhaps you can guess my political inclinations from my username). I have resigned myself to a life of misery because I believe I can improve the world while I'm here and as a utilitarian, I am willing to suffer for that.

    I know that no matter what, no matter how long I'm on hormones, and even after I've had top surgery, hysterectomy, and phalloplasty, I will never be comfortable in my body. I don't like for anyone to even know that I am trans because I loathe the idea of someone else knowing that I have female genitalia (or in the future for when they're gone, that I was born with them).

    I know that this is a pretty unpopular opinion in the trans community, but I don't care, I believe that no matter what my body will always be female. Who I am, my identity, what's contained within the somatosensory cortex of my brain, is 100% male. But the anatomy I was cursed with will always be female, that's the cold hard fact of the matter, and I could delude myself into believing that because I am male that my body is too, but that's simply not true, and it would just be a defensive mechanism, it would be denial. I can medicate myself with testosterone as much as I want, and have all the operations I desperately need, but ultimately this does not make my body male; it is masculinizing my female body so that it won't seem as foreign and repulsive to me.

    And no, this is not "internalized transphobia", I have nothing but compassion and respect towards my trans brothers and sisters, and if you feel offended by this, understand that I have a different experience with dysphoria than you and different ideas about gender than you: to me, gender identity is not your physical body, your personality, or a social construct, gender identity is what's in your parietal lobe, what your brain's self image of your body is.

    What's more, I feel kind of lonely within the trans community (reading what other people post, I mean, this is my first time writing something about it) because it appears that most trans guys don't have this level of dysphoria, or if they do, it's centered around their breasts, and their dysphoria about their genitalia is secondary, or even nonexistent.
    But for me, bottom dysphoria is crippling. The only way I can describe existing with a vulva instead of a penis and scrotum between my legs is like a continuous, interminable rape of the soul, something I am forced to live with, that I cannot fucking escape from, and it causes me panic attacks and often the only way for me to find reprieve is to try to force myself to go to sleep to numb the feeling. Of course, when I wake up the same thing starts all over again.

    It is a complete corruption and mockery of who I am, and while it may seem radical, in my personal philosophy it is immoral for me to continue existing in this corrupted, fraudulent state - the preferable thing would be for me to discontinue my existence so as to preserve the integrity of who I am - which is a male with a male body. The common characterization of trans people is "man trapped in a woman's body" or vice versa, but I guess for me it'd be more accurate to say I'm a cis guy stuck in a trans guy's body. The only guy I've encountered online who writes about a similar amount of dysphoria was this guy: http://emptyclosets.com/forum/gender-identity-expression/162756-crippling-dysphoria.html
    And it makes me think: maybe the reason I find so little trans people with similar thoughts is because those of us who are this extremely dysphoric have all offed ourselves by now (I know I certainly would have if not for my reasons stated above). I wonder if that guy's still around. Dismal thought, I know.

    My bottom dysphoria has been present all my life, even before I knew transsexuality was a thing, as a little kid I would have dreams about how my body felt wrong, and after I went through puberty I was majorly fucked up - when I was twelve years old my mind must have temporarily snapped from the stress I was under, because I was somewhat psychotic for a few months, I was extremely withdrawn, had delusional thoughts and even hallucinations here and there - luckily I soon recovered and I am now a very confident, extroverted, painfully rational person. But during that time I actually cut off pieces of my labia with a scissors (this also occurring before I knew I was trans). The point I'm trying to get across is that I'm a guy who's pretty distressed about his junk. Things most people wouldn't even notice, like how your genitals feel when you move your thighs to walk, or when you sit in a chair, or pretty much anything, bug the hell out of me. Packing with an actual prosthetic dick has improved that a lot compared to packing with a rolled-up sock, though.

    Now, naturally, testosterone has made me pretty horny. I mean, a male's got 9x the amount of testosterone in his system that a female has, so you can imagine it as my horniness is 9x the level it used to be. And, because of my extensively explained bottom dysphoria, it's practically impossible for me to masturbate with what I have, and the very concept disgusts me just to type it. I don't even want to acknowledge that it exists, let alone touch it, and I'd honestly rather die a painful death than use my body in what I believe is a female way (which to clarify, means using female genitals in any way for masturbation). The result of this is a lot of pent-up sexual frustration.

    So, because I am interested to see if anyone has had an experience like this, or to help any trans guys out there who are as horrified at their physical bodies as I am, I thought I'd share something that helped me out. Now, I'm not saying it's okay to break the law (I totally am:icon_wink), but when I smoke weed, I feel like the power of my mind is extremely heightened, and since my mind is in my brain, and my male body is in my brain (the ghost in the machine), when I'm high I can feel my anatomically male, phantom body, rather than my physical female one. When I'm in this state, I can have intense fantasies that I actually somatically feel, just from thinking, I can feel myself having an erection and the blood pulsing in my dick, and this is the only time that I can actually orgasm, and then I feel myself ejaculating. This is the only way that I can get off and I can't get high often but it's incredibly relieving when I do.

    I'm not sure if there's any point to the novella I just wrote, maybe I just wanted to see my thoughts/feelings written down.
     
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    Hello, welcome to EC. (*hug*)

    I'm extremely sorry to hear about the level of your dysphoria. I am a trans male as well, but I don't deal with nearly the amount of dysphoria you described. No matter your pain, suicide is never, ever the answer. You are a valuable and important person in the world, even if you feel now like you aren't. You have worth, and it will get better. I promise. 12 year old could never have imagined getting on T and passing socially. In the same way, one day, you can get the surgeries you want and at least feel a little more comfortable in your skin. Obviously, all the dysphoria will never go away. But to live to reach a day of better times, I think that is a reason to live. That's how I make it- thinking of the day I'll be able to start hormones. And people do care about you. I'm sure there are many in your life that care about you, and everyone on EC does. I know that I do.

    As for the masturbation aspect, that's honestly a difficult situation. Most of my own dysphoria is centered around my breasts and the social aspect, with the bottom dysphoria being there but secondary. For that reason, I avoid "taking care of things" until I absolutely need to, then fantasizing that I have the correct equipment. On T, I can't imagine the amount of stress built up. I know there are several older trans guys on the site that are on T, maybe one of them could give you better advice.

    -Cody
     
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    Thank you for your response and your caring words.

    Although I have to disagree with you about suicide, I believe there are times when it is in fact justified, such as in my case where it would be to restore my integrity of the self. However, I will never kill myself, no matter how miserable, because another part of my philosophy is that everybody holds a responsibility to the world, and that life should not be lived in pursuit of happiness, but in pursuit of improving the world and helping people. I have no objection to the thought of my death - the part of suicide I am opposed to is the idea of shirking my responsibility and selfishly turning my back on the world (I'm not an Atlas Shrugged kind of guy). Like I said, I'm utilitarian.

    The thing about the guys who've already been on T for awhile is they mostly fit what I already described, with little to no bottom dysphoria, and in fact a lot of the ones who do feel bottom dysphoria report that it gradually lessens on T (for me it's increased, but it kind of goes around in cycles of intensity). That's why most trans guys simply get top surgery and never bother with bottom surgery, which is obviously not a viable option in my case.

    I manage to get by with getting stoned every once in a while, so I guess I wasn't really looking for advice about masturbation since I don't think I need advice, but I was curious to see if any comparably dysphoric trans guys had a similar experience with smoking marijuana - or if any other trans* people who have used it felt like they were in their phantom body, their "idealized somatotype", rather than their physical body.
     
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    I don't really have any words of advice, but I feel the same in a lot of ways.
    So... it sucks but you arnt alone.
     
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    Glad to know I'm not the only one. :icon_wink
     
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    I also have crippling dysphoria, but about my face, and it was theoretically totally preventable, making it sting so much worse, but anyway, you're not alone in having a body that doesn't feel right.

    Also, I believe that someone's gender identity is far more important than technicalities like sex of the body, which is why I call myself female and only female. Seeing things this way probably helps me with dysphoria, but not every sees things this way.
     
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    This is probably a stupid question, but have you tried masterbaiting using your prosthetic? I'm sure you have just figured I would ask. That's what my partner does...
    Also, I don't necessarily know your pain first hand...but I do understand being that my partner is trans male. He struggles everyday. But like your post says, we are all here for specific missions to accomplish in our life time. In the eyes of the universe, we are gender-less. I don't know your spiritual views or if you even have any. But I believe in the art of sacred geometry and spirit science. Needless to say reincarnation is real to me. We are all here for our own specially designed purposes. Life sucks, but I think that's the way it's supposed to be. Lol :slight_smile:
     
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    Thanks for your response.

    I'm sorry about the way you feel about your face. I get what you mean about feeling that it was preventable - I think a lot of us wish that we would've known we were trans when we could still halt puberty. I'm upset that I can't change the skeletal structure of my hips :frowning2:

    As a person I think of myself as male and only male, but I just can't think about my body that way. I can see how that would really help people who can think that way, though.

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    Thanks for caring. I have tried before, and sometimes it feels kind of good and other times it ends up being really confusing to me because my eyes are telling me I should be feeling something but of course it's not real skin.

    I don't personally have any spiritual views but I take inspiration from Satrean existentialism, and I think that individually we create our own different purposes for living.

    They say that smooth seas never made a skilled sailor. As much as I wish none of this had happened to me, if it hadn't, I wouldn't be as strong a person as I am today.

    If reincarnation is real, I hope the next time around I get to be a shark. They're my favorite animals. :wink:

    I wish you good luck with your purpose for life, whatever it may be.

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    That was meant to be two different responses. I'm still new to this thread, ha.

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    I meant site, duh, I posted the thread.
     
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    I'm new too, so it's okay. Lol
    However, I believe that our spirits pick our lives before we enter them. I believe that we basically set a blue print of our lives and lessons we need to learn in order to get to the next level of spirituality. Which is why we don't really understand life, we don't feel at home, and we feel uncomfortable in our own skin because this life isn't our eternity. It's very short. Positive vibes attract positive energies. You will never feel 100% "in your own skin" because your body is only your vessel for this life. I probably sound like some crazy juju lady...but I understand a little more than you think I do, even though it's not the same exact situation of not feeling comfortable in your own body. I hope you find peace & blessings in your journey sir!
     
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    So in your philosophy, are transgender individuals people who were reborn mistakenly into the wrong sex? Or were they born transgender for a reason, to teach them a specific lesson about life?

    Thank you, I hope your journey is full of learning and growing as well!
     
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    I think that's something for you to figure out about yourself. That's the point of life, learning to love. Yourself and others regardless of anything. I believe it could be either or....
     
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    I'm not sure this could help but I saw a video from a FtM youtuber, don't remember which one though, where he said that for masturbating he uses a pee-cock with the pleasure kit (it's rather expensive though) and when he jerks it off it feels amazing like it's a part of his body. I'm sorry I can't help you more.
     
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    Yeah see but the problem with that is the pleasure kit touches your clitoris, and I'm beyond uncomfortable with touching my female genitals.

    That's why I like the getting high solution, it's hands free.

    I guess I wasn't looking for advice about masturbation so much as I was curious to see if anybody had a similar experience, but thanks for caring enough to respond.
     
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    Your situation could be seen as parallel to a cis guy loosing his penis in an accident or due to, say, cancer. Such a guy would have to seek alternative pleasure sources, for instance anal prostate stimulation. And being penetrated for many cis guys would be likely as humiliating as you describe, combined with the junk loss making them feel incomplete. Does that make them lesser as men? Well, no, they are just men with some sexual disability, something that could be similar to a trans experience. And yet, you can live after loosing your penis and have sexual pleasure in alternative ways. The thing that helps with shame and rejection is therapy. And if that can work for a cis guy, it sure can for a trans guy.
    I am not ftm, the other way around if anything, but I think you could use this perspective. Not all cis guys have a functional penis, and they need to deal with it in similar ways and deal with similar mental issues as trans guys (those who aren't comfortable with their genitalia that is). I know it doesn't sound like a friendly patting on the back, but this is trans reality when facing severe genital dysphoria - it is somewhat parallel to cis people dealing with their genitalia becoming non functional.
     
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    I feel the same as you in a lot of ways, especially the thing about my body always being female, just masculinized, and this upsets me and I also don't want anybody to know I'm trans. I just want to be a normal guy. But I can't be stealth right now, because I'm just starting to transition socially now(although without making any legal changes). I'm not on T and I don't have any surgery and I feel like it will remain like this for quite a long time due to my family situation and it makes me wanna die. I've gotten to the point where I can't stand having this body anymore.
    Although most of my dysphoria is centered around my breasts, hips and face, I also don't like touching my genitalia and I avoid doing it. Luckily, I don't feel a strong need to masturbate, so I just don't do it. I don't know what advice I can give you. If the weed thing works for you, just stick with it.
     
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    I get that there are cis people who have non-functioning penises too, and I know that my current genitalia don't make me less of a man, but that knowledge isn't going to change the way I feel about my body. That perspective doesn't really do anything for my dysphoria because I don't feel insecure about whether I'm a "real man" or not, I know I'm just as male as any cis guy, but my body is still wrong.

    I will not explore the alternative methods you described because personally I have quite a dominant personality and zero interest in being penetrated in any way, the thought holds no pleasure to me. What I want and what I fantasize about is being the one doing the penetrating, I want to be able to have an erection and to come inside of a woman. I'll only be able to do this after phalloplasty, of course.

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    I'm sorry to hear about your situation.

    I understand the feeling of just not being able to stand existing in your body anymore. I don't think there's any way to get rid of that feeling, but in the instances when it's really bad, it's good to try to distract yourself by exercising or doing volunteer work.

    This might sound kind of bad at first, but another thing that helped me with that feeling was to give up hope. I realized that I couldn't be happy without a natal male's body, and that surgery and hormones would never bring me to having that kind of body. So I gave up the unrealistic hopes of happiness or comfort and just accepted that I will go through my life always feeling sorrow for the body I could never have. At the same time, I can still find pleasure and joy in life.

    Since you're over 18, you can choose to start testosterone without your family's consent. If that's not an option because they're not accepting of you and you still rely on them, remember that eventually you'll get to be on your own and start your medical transition, and be stealth if you choose to. Your situation will improve.

    It might seem kind of ghetto, but as a substitute, at least until you can get real testosterone, you could try using steroid creams - I've heard of trans guys who don't have access to T using them, though you should read about the potential health concerns.

    I hope your family becomes more understanding of who you really are, and I hope you are met with support in your social transition. :slight_smile:

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    Again, that was meant to be two replies....