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Expressing masculinity

Discussion in 'Gender Identity and Expression' started by Mihael, Feb 9, 2017.

  1. Mihael

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    Hi there

    I feel like a guy, I am a girl, I'm fine with it and don't want to transition, but I feel like my gender isn't being expressed. So... how do you express your masculinity? Does it help you connect with other people in masculine ways? How do you go about expressing a tougher and sharper side of masculinity?
     
  2. anthracite

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    Work out. Take care of your car. Have a beer. Things like that.
     
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    I think it's down to the way I socialise, rather than simply the clothes I wear, but I'm not actually that classically masculine anyway (I'm told I give off a feminine vibe). You don't have to be Arnie to be masculine.
     
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    You could get involved in activities which are associated more with masculinity.
     
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    Men and women are different, but the overlap is big enough that a significant portion of men and women are basically the same. Like, 6:4, 7:3, are some rough estimates e how some traits spread. Which means the ovelap is large. I'm not sure what you want to achieve but because of that you will be perceived as a tomboy. If that's ok to you then just be that tomboy.

    Otherwise I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to transition, as that's the only way to fight the overlap and shift the perception others have towards you. So basically your answer lies in what you want to actually achieve. If you are masculine you are already expressing it by your behavioral patterns.
     
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    Pretty much agreeing with this 100%. Especially the working out part. All that sweat and the feeling you get when you're done... It's really refreshing and definitely makes me feel more masculine. Everyone is different though. Maybe you'd prefer wearing more masculine clothes if you don't already? Maybe a different haircut may help as well? Having a more "aloof" air socially helps too.
     
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    I'm not particularily dysphoric but from what I talked to people, I seem to be feminine. Being a tomboy would be fine with me, proveded that it happened at all. I'm pretty sure I'm a quite distanced person and I'm plain and simple not behaving in any way at all quite frequently. (I believe that a neutral expression and feminine body equals femininity what it comes to perception)

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    I can't do the clothes. I can't bring myself to do it, because men's clothing plain doesn't fit and it doesn't make me look masculine either. Funny, I pass as an effeminate guy from time to time. But no, it doesn't help any. There's not much I can do about the hair either. I already have a chin length haircut, and anything shorter doesn't look good, and doesn't look more masculine. But longer hair just looked hella feminine, and I can't put up with that.

    Working out might be a good idea, I have to take up some sport anyway because my physique lately is not in the best condition. I even began slowly working out a bit, because I didn't move at all since summer. And I'm trying to look into it anyway. The thing is... would that help the social part? I hope so...

    Cars and other appliances and stuff to repair would be a short way to go for me, because I'm an engineer already. But my car doesn't break too often :grin: Well, tech seems to be something I pick up anyway, simply because I do it for a living. I could know more about computers probably. But again - would that help?

    Because I feel completely man enough by myself, and I don't really have the need to act out any thing. Okey, I have the need to act out if I fancy someone. Or when I get angry. But that's it. It's just the people thing being a problem

    I have a feeling that I'm quite aloof already :grin::icon_bigg
     
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    Yeah, no Arnies, but I have no idea what people think is masculine. I sort of lived in a cave full of books called also "my room" for x years.
     
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    I'm kind of in a similar boat, I think. I'm mostly a man who happens to have a female body. I can definitely imagine to have a male body but transition seems like too much of a bother considering I have almost none body dysphoria. Besides I'm a healer and somewhat an intuitive and don't want to lose my sensitivity going on T. But the thing is that living like a woman kind of makes me feel invisible and I'm still looking for a way how to express myself more in "me" way, especially during social interactions.
     
  10. anthracite

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    About the clothing thing: Is it about shoulder width? Then don't be scared. I had some men shirts and hoodies that didn't fit AT ALL now it looks fine to great depending on the item. All with work out. That gives you a boost of self confidence I can tell you.
     
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    Shoulders are okey, but my hips are wide and I have soft features. I tried to fight that, but to be honest nothing works. But maybe I should have bought an M sweater instead of S. Nevermind, it just doesn't work. I can wear men's clothing head to toe and I still get read as ladylike. Like, why??? I don't demand being read as a man. I just demand being read as behaving like one.

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    Well, not just behaving, behaving because that's how my personality is, not because of something else.
     
  12. anthracite

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    I would say I look androgynous. And I can tell you confidence is key. If you act like you ARE a man and have never been anything else, it will work. I once passed when I even had female trousers still.

    Have you tried compressing underwear? Or baggy pants? And how about your body fat percentage? If it's already low I sadly can't give you other advice. According to face google around, I did some exercises and had minor yet visible results in a few days. Do you shave your peach fuzz?
     
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    Yeah, I pass every once in a blue moon too, and funnily enough, I'm always wearing women's clothes when I pass. No peach fuzz. Low body fat. I'm super skinny. I don't need to bind because it only takes a hoodie to hide the boobs.

    But it doesn't help. I still get treated like someone ladylike. You know what a friend told me? That he couldn't have guessed because I don't behave like a dude. And I'm pretty sure he confused me for a guy when he firts met me. Or at least had to take a second look to determine.

    I have a feeling like my style / expression is a bit too plain or something.

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    Thank you for help though
     
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    Maybe it's the way you walk? What do you mean by too plain?

    I'm skinny too and a pretty lucky dude according to hips and chest.
     
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    My walk is something that disturbs ladies in the washroom and makes them stare at me and examine me head to toe. So no, that can't be it. It can't be the way I move, it makes me pass in a pink sweater and with boobs on sight. Hm. Maybe it's women who notice and men who don't. I can swear that the feminine girl who sat next to me lately got some sort of masculine or lesbian vibe from me, because she hasn't interacted with me in that feminine way. That might be confidence.

    Too plain? Jeans, regular fit, a navy blue sweater, sneakers. Or skinny jeans and a roll neck and ankle boots. That's quite plain. The only "attractive" thing in all that might be my pretty face.

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    I can't even imagine that realistically. It's too hypothetical. It would be too different from what I'm living now. I'm well to grounded in being a woman. And I don't even feel like wanting it. I don't feel like my body is wrong. I mean in the literal sense. From what I read around the forum, I just don't feel that way. Moreover, I like my body. In a "on its own" sense.
     
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    The plain style is most common and as far as I know your personal style does little in passing.
     
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    Well I'm not sure. If I wore my flowery skirt, that migjt make me not pass :wink:. Bedides, style expresses something and influences interactiond, as far as I've observed.

    I mean, I'm so distanced in behavior and all I've been described as "I can't just read you like an open book" person, and all the hints at me being more masc then fem, or anything are really subtle, and I wouldn't expect anyone to notice such details.
     
  18. anthracite

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    Yeah, something but the styler, the rocker and the business dude are all men. Maybe the latter too could increase passing because the style involves layering.
     
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    I might be missing that, lol. I have a flowery skirt in my closet and a couple of blouses and cardigans that match it. I don't care what I wear that much, really. So... No, I don't really have a style. I might be missing on what is man style and what is not. As far as I'be noticed the clevage is different and you have to watch the cut of shirts, trousers and whatnot. But other than that?
     
  20. anthracite

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    Other than that probably stick to colors like blue and grey, black white, maybe red if you can pull it off. Pre-T no fucking purple! It makes you look slightly gay then.

    Men style usually is: Put something on from your closet, no matter if it suits together or not :wink:

    It is certainly easier if you have a style already and then turn it male. There's plenty. I heard skater boy helps with passing a lot. Look around, probably men's health, they should have something hidden between fitness and sex guides. For next spring you could probably do the Dean-Winchester. Brown leather jacket and some button up tees. And an Impala :wink:

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    He also rocks layers which is good.