i'm considering starting a transition procedure in germany though i'm not sure yet. the problem is i'm not a german citizen nor do i reside in germany, so basically what i need here is legal advice and invormation about the costs since i'm currently leaving the counselling to a professional but if you feel like having any advice about any other thing, then feel free to let me know. thank you all beforehand and i'd be glad to speak in german, if you can and have nothing against it. if my sexual orentation confuses you, then know i'm straight as long as i'm a male. but i know about "homosexual transgenders" so i'm not conserned about it. also i harldy care about finding a partner
Hey, are we allowed to speak German here? I'm not sure, because it might make it harder to monitor the content? i'm from Germany, but to be honest I didn't really understand what you're asking for.
Hey, I'm from Germany and I've been through the whole bureaucratic aspect of my transition so I might be able to help. Right now I'm not 100% sure if I understand your question. So you're not a German citizen and don't live in Germany but you want to transition in Germany? Is there any particular reason for this, because unfortunately that sounds like it could really complicate your transition, especially if you don't have German health insurance. You definitely won't be able to change your name in Germany, you'd need to do that in your country of citizenship, but the medical aspects might work out. I feel like I could help you more if I'd understand the exact issue, feel free to write on my profile wall (in German or English) anytime. German translation just in case: Spoiler Ich komme aus Deutschland und habe den ganzen bürokratischen Aspekt meiner Transition schon hinter mir. Gerade bin ich mir nicht sicher, ob ich deine Frage richtig verstehe. Du bist kein deutscher Staatsbürger und wohnst auch gerade nicht in Deutschland, aber möchtest deine Transition in Deutschland machen? Gibt es dafür einen bestimmten Grund, denn leider glaube ich, das könnte deine Transition sehr kompliziert machen, besonders wenn du nicht in Deutschland versichert bist. Du wirst definitiv nicht deinen Namen in Deutschland ändern können, dass musst du in dem Land machen, in dem du Staatsbürger bist. (Oder zumindest irgendwie mit denen korrespondieren.)Ich glaube aber, dass ich dir mehr helfen könnte, wenn ich das genaue Problem verstehe. Schreib mir gerne auf meine "profile wall", gerne auch auf deutsch.
thank you for helping me out. the reason why i want to do it in germany is because it seems like the easiest country in europe. i'm a european citizen (i hope it can help) and it's not really feasible for to do this in my country, where i can still get the diagnosis and hormonal therapy though. will germany accept a diagnosis of gender dysphoria from another eu country? and i'm very interested about the costs because it's very possible i may never be able ot afford it. i'm going to write on your wall as soon as i'm my progresses will allow you to ask more specific questions. i can change my name in my own country. that's the easiest and least important thing about it
Sweden are also extremely generous when it comes to transitioning. Essentially nothing I've done so far has required any real pay from me and nothing will.
I'm gonna be honest and say that it would probably still be easier to get the diagnosis and HRT in your home country and maybe have your surgeries here. Since I don't know where you live this could not be the case though. There are some doctors who will do the surgeries privately but they still need some type of diagnosis. The last figure I read was somewhere around 7500 euros for top surgery + hysto.
Hey, I'm from Germany, not trans, but I'm a law student and my mother is a lawyer! So if you have legal questions, feel free to PM me
Literally the day the diagnosis was set on me, they sent out referrals for HRT, hair removal, SRS consultation and voice training. It's been about four months since I got my diagnosis and everything I just mentioned has started proper now and most of it have been going for months already. So yeah, you do get HRT with a diagnosis.
No, I believe it's just for tax paying citizens. But I was under the impression that Germany's transition progress was very similar.
Hey, I can't reply to the message OP posted on my wall because I haven't got enough posts yet, so I'm answering here: Hey, ich konnte leider deine Nachricht nicht auf meiner Pinnwand beantworten, weil ich offenbar dafür in diesem Forum noch nicht genug gepostet habe (Bürokratie :lol also antworte ich jetzt hier auf deine Frage: Schön, dass du dich gemeldet hast! Erstmal ein paar allgemeine Fragen, die wichtig werden: Bist du minderjährig, und wenn ja, wie stehen deine Eltern/Sorgeberechtigten zu der Transition? Und hast du schon mit Hormonen angefangen? Alltagstest läuft schon, das ist schonmal gut. Generell gibt es für die OP in Deutschland drei Voraussetzungen: 18 Monate Therapie, 18 Alltagstest, und 6 Monate Hormone. Mein Verständnis ist, dass du die Therapie im Regelfall wirklich bei dem einen Therapeuten machen musst, der dann auch das Gutachten erstellt. Wie lange bist du denn jetzt schon bei deinem Thera? Und warum genau möchtest du wechseln? Wenn du jetzt schon mehrere Monate bei deinem Therapeuten bist und er/ nicht wirklich schlimm (wenn auch nicht genial) ist, und du eigentlich ganz okay mit ihm auskommst, würde ich mir Wechseln sehr gut überlegen: Dann müsstest du wieder von vorn anfangen mit der Thera, bei einem neuen Therapeuten. Wenn du aber erst seit ein paar Wochen bei deinem jetzigen Therapeuten bist, oder er einfach richtig scheiße ist und du es nicht aushälst, würde sich Wechseln wohl lohnen. Das ist in Deutschland echt blöd geregelt, aber man muss die 18 Monate Thera scheinbar wirklich bei einem einzigen Therapeuten machen. Das Gesetz ist so formuliert, dass als Kriterium offenbar nicht die Dauer der Therapie, sondern die Zeitdauer, die der Therapeut den Patienten kennt, genommen wird. Hast du überlegt, was natürlich finanziell richtig scheiße wäre, aber theoretisch möglich, die Thera beim jetzigen Therapeuten weiter zu machen (fürs Gutachten) und dann vielleicht einen zweiten Therapeuten/Profi fürs Reden zu finden? Musst du dem ersten Therapeuten ja nicht sagen... Wenn du Schüler oder Student bist, bietet deine Schule oder Uni vielleicht einen Schulpsychologen an, das ist oft kostenlos oder ziemlich günstig? Mensch, das ist echt blöd mit der Regelung. Tut mir Leid, dass ich da keine guten Neuigkeiten überbringen kann, aber scheint leider die Rechtslage zu sein... Viel Glück, und wenn du Fragen hast, melde dich ruhig!
Luise, ich bin nicht der OP. Würde aber hier auf englisch schreiben. So I'm 18. No T, no name change which is why I'm so insecure about that topic. I don't care much about the Ops cause my chest will shrink with T and as it is small already I think I can handle the waiting. I need to go somewhere else anyway because of university but really there is nothing productive coming out of the sessions. So I guess I'm screwed.
Heads up, there're rules against speaking in any languages other than English anywhere but in private messages. These posts with German in it are probs gonna be deleted.
Oh, sorry! I wasn't aware! I thought you were the OP, who wanted to speak German. Well, English it is, then. The guidelines are stemming from various patient agencies and medical associations, as well as insurance companies, and are formulated in accordance with various patient protection laws. Technically, you are right- it would be possible to do it before the 18 months are over, if you accept the fact that your insurance won't pay for it. However, I think it would be very hard, potentially almost impossible, to find a qualified doctor or surgeon willing to do the surgeries if you don't have insurance coverage. The surgeon would enter legal no man's land, so to speak- if any complications happened during the procedure, your insurance would probably not cover them either, and no doctor likes that idea. Your legal protection would be reduced as well: If your doctor messed something up, it would be harder to get compensation because any lawyer could point to the fact that your surgery did not happen in accordance with the recommended treatment guidelines. That would damage your case. I would be cautious doing this. These procedures are both expensive and extensive, complications can happen, and not having insurance coverage and your legal protection being questionable at best might be problematic. Especially considering that I don't think finding a qualified doctor willing to perform the procedures without all proper documents would be easy- you don't want to end up with some charlatan, after all... But then again, this is the legal side of things. I'm not a medical professional, I have no specialist knowledge of the risk associated with these surgeries beyond what a few minutes spent on google told me. But if you manage to find someone willing to perform the surgeries without all documents and without you having fulfilled all guidelines, I would be very careful, demand to see pictures of their previous work, check their credentials, research them, and find out about previous patients and talk to them. Again, that's my opinion based on the legal facts and treatment guidelines. I'm not a medical professional. I think the best thing you could do, in your situation, is to contact some qualified surgeons and ask them whether they would be willing to perform the surgeries without the documents. Maybe you'll be lucky, but if you are, please be aware of the fact that if something goes wrong, neither the law nor your insurance company can do much to protect you...
I just wanted to point out that you said in order to have surgeries you need stay with one therapist for 18 months, which is incorrect. Changing therapists is completely legitimate, I myself changed my therapist because I moved and it wasn't a problem. Everything else you said is true, with the small addition that those rules aren't law, they are guidelines to be specific and health care insurances technically don't need to follow them, but of course most of them do and in reality most insurance companies all have their own way of doing things.
